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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: New video on the case:
« Reply #45 on: May 13, 2015, 04:31:20 PM »
Google Earth provides a better illustration of the remote location relative to Little Britain.  WHF are the buildings near Upper Grove.

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.7617788,0.8042982,1481m/data=!3m1!1e3
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: New video on the case:
« Reply #46 on: May 13, 2015, 04:48:40 PM »
It was probably something more like a GUFFAW!!!...  Jerry>>>   @)(++(*   Julie>>>  £4%4£ Jerry>>>  %£5&%


Go easy on that timed video workaround I showed you, Holly... or we'll be inundated!!!

Perhaps as they kissed and embraced JB recoiled and choked on "dog breath" and the "chuckle" was in fact a choke  &%+((£

I love the timed video workaround.  Just need to master those emoticons and I'll be as happy as a pig in ....
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: New video on the case:
« Reply #47 on: May 13, 2015, 04:55:06 PM »
I'll be "Amazon Customer" and you can be "sue b"...

http://www.amazon.co.uk/product-reviews/B0052RE4U8/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1

... or me Bugs and you Daffy...



Remind me... who always outsmarted who?  &%+((£

Think the book is aimed at the American market  ?>)()<

http://www.amazon.com/Dangerous-Instincts-Profilers-Tactics-Situations-ebook/dp/B0052RE4U8/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1431524265&sr=8-2&keywords=books+mary+ellen+otoole

I'm sure most of us have worked in environments where we have had to justify decisions etc by way of evidence and not just 'well I had a feeling I was right...' 
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Myster

Re: New video on the case:
« Reply #48 on: May 13, 2015, 06:55:38 PM »
Google Earth provides a better illustration of the remote location relative to Little Britain.  WHF are the buildings near Upper Grove.

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.7617788,0.8042982,1481m/data=!3m1!1e3

Mmm... WHF is isolated, as are most of the others in the area.  What a perfect life JB could have had if only he'd waited. As he recalled in the phone conversation with Eric Allison about life on the farm  - "You know Eric, it was idyllic!".

I wonder if that's the reason why NB called JB in that WHF was difficult to locate.  Perhaps NB experienced delivery drivers and others having difficulty locating it.  For the doubters try locating it without sat nav.  The turning to Pages Lane is quite concealed and difficult even with sat nav!  What sort of navigation system did police patrol cars have in the mid 80's if any?  Bearing in mind NB likened Witham police to Dads Army.

Naughty, naughty!... you trying to wind me up!!?   You know very well there was no phone call.  ?8)@)-)

Delivery and collection drivers would know the farm routes easily enough... a matter of routine with repeated visits. A new inexperienced driver might also have had a co-driver who was familiar with the farms in the area.

There was no GPS satellite navigation available for police use in '85. They probably relied on A-Z's of Essex and radio contact with those back at HQ.  John will know and correct me if I'm wrong.

Essex Police were far superior to Dad's Army... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=775DE0YkT3U&list=FLZFZfbU6SgeJiKXJ6fpyWUQ&index=36
It's one of them cases, in'it... one of them f*ckin' cases.

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: New video on the case:
« Reply #49 on: May 13, 2015, 11:30:22 PM »
Mmm... WHF is isolated, as are most of the others in the area.  What a perfect life JB could have had if only he'd waited. As he recalled in the phone conversation with Eric Allison about life on the farm  - "You know Eric, it was idyllic!".

Anything would seem idyllic when you've spent the best part of 3 decades behind bars with mushy sprouts, lumpy gravy and a sea of hairy bottoms  8)><( 


According to DS Jones, JB told Mary Mugford he couldn't wait!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcTvqLk0MWU&feature=youtu.be&t=40m

If this is true I'm surprised Geoffrey Rivlin QC got away with "Who are we dealing with here a consummate actress or a consummate actor"?  Surely Anthony Arlidge QC would pop up with 'I think you mean consummate actressES8)-)))


Naughty, naughty!... you trying to wind me up!!?   You know very well there was no phone call.  ?8)@)-)

Delivery and collection drivers would know the farm routes easily enough... a matter of routine with repeated visits. A new inexperienced driver might also have had a co-driver who was familiar with the farms in the area.

There was no GPS satellite navigation available for police use in '85. They probably relied on A-Z's of Essex and radio contact with those back at HQ.  John will know and correct me if I'm wrong.

Essex Police were far superior to Dad's Army... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=775DE0YkT3U&list=FLZFZfbU6SgeJiKXJ6fpyWUQ&index=36

In the absence of digital/satellite technology it is impossible to say whether there was or wasn't a telephone call. 

From what I've seen EP appear poorly trained and managed.  I would also question the recruitment process.
« Last Edit: May 24, 2015, 11:29:01 AM by John »
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: New video on the case:
« Reply #50 on: May 17, 2015, 05:34:48 PM »
At 14.15 in (the links should (being the operative word) take you directly to the point) we are told by JB's former headmaster at Gresham's:

"I think he was surprisingly sharp tongued and a bit arrogant that was the sort of reputation he had.  He was a bit of a loner, not very popular or well liked".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcTvqLk0MWU&feature=youtu.be&t=14m15s

At 14.35 DB claims:

"Jeremy actually told a few of his friends in confidence that he was an adopted child and children can be very cruel and they made fun of it and he was know as the b........ apparently."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcTvqLk0MWU&feature=youtu.be&t=14m35s

At 14.35 Julia Gillard, former PM of Australia, states the following in her apology speech to birth families and adoptees:

"Many more endured the cruelty that only children can inflict on their peers the words your mums not your real mum, your real mum didn't want you.  Your parents aren't your real parents they don't love you.  Taunts vividly remembered decades later".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hVbokTpYeg&feature=youtu.be&t=14m35s

I never experienced anything of this nature and I don't believe my adopted brother did either but it appears it went on. 

Perhaps JB's former headmaster, Logie Bruce Lockhart, could have done with checking out his school's policy on bullying rather than some 3 decades later making statements such as those above.  I shall be writing to him about the matter.
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Myster

Re: New video on the case:
« Reply #51 on: May 17, 2015, 06:01:33 PM »
At 14.15 in (the links should (being the operative word) take you directly to the point) we are told by JB's former headmaster at Gresham's:

"I think he was surprisingly sharp tongued and a bit arrogant that was the sort of reputation he had.  He was a bit of a loner, not very popular or well liked".

Perhaps JB's former headmaster, Logie Bruce Lockhart, could have done with checking out his school's policy on bullying rather than some 3 decades later making statements such as those above.  I shall be writing to him about the matter.

Before you fire off yet another vociferous letter of complaint 8()(((@# ... Mr. Logie Bruce-Lockhart said much the same thing of Jeremy Bamber in 1990. (Murder Casebook No. 7, page 224)
It's one of them cases, in'it... one of them f*ckin' cases.

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: New video on the case:
« Reply #52 on: May 17, 2015, 07:26:19 PM »
Before you fire off yet another vociferous letter of complaint 8()(((@# ... Mr. Logie Bruce-Lockhart said much the same thing of Jeremy Bamber in 1990. (Murder Casebook No. 7, page 224)

JB left Gresham's 1977/78.  LBL retired in 1982.  The school has some 800 students.  JB seemed quite unremarkable in every respect so I'm surprised LBL was able to recall JB to make some fairly benign comments. 

Since LBL was no longer employed by Gresham's when the tragedy at WHF took place where did the info come from?  Was it formally documented?  Perhaps the comments were shaped by the verdict of the trial?  Had JB been found not guilty I can quite imagine a case where LBL said something along the lines of 'We looked through the records and there was nothing to indicate he was capable of the crimes he was accused of.  He was quite unremarkable'.

According to Wilkes EP checked out JB's record at school and his only misdemeanour was sloping off to attend a Suzi Quatro concert.  I have SQ to thank for taking up the guitar

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYoogY-UGio  8(>((
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Caroline

Re: New video on the case:
« Reply #53 on: May 18, 2015, 10:00:43 PM »
Before you fire off yet another vociferous letter of complaint 8()(((@# ... Mr. Logie Bruce-Lockhart said much the same thing of Jeremy Bamber in 1990. (Murder Casebook No. 7, page 224)

Quote from Murder Casebook.


"Those who knew Bamber at school, noticed his need to express his superiority."

"He was a rather prickly sort of boy" His headmaster at Gresham's, Mr. Logie Bruce-Lockhart, was to recall. "I believe some of the bys found him irritating, in that he could be a relentless tease. I think he showed at touch of arrogance at a very young age"

"A former school friend, John Fielding, remembered Bamber being a bit of an oddball"


Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: New video on the case:
« Reply #54 on: May 18, 2015, 10:37:27 PM »
I always had it in my mind that JM was born and largely bred in Manchester probably because her WS states she attended Altrincham Grammar School for Girls.  She then attended Colchester High School for Girls sixth form as her parents relocated.  Listening to the new vid it suddenly dawned on me that she is without any regional accent more Home Counties.  She presents well for a 21/22 year old perhaps helped by some presentation training as part of her teachers' training course.

According to JB's WS her parents were separated and she had a step-father so I assume her mother remarried.  Although I don't think her WS makes ref to any of this.

I'm less inclined to see her as a woman scorned.  If she wanted to snare JB then why not get herself up the duff?  I understand JB's former girlfriend Suzette Ford had several miscarriages.  SC had two unplanned pregnancies.  There's no record of any pregnancies between JB and JM.  It seems to me JM was set on completing her studies, qualifying as a teacher and keeping herself up the duff free.  So if she wasn't a woman scorned and she's BSing why?  I think pressure was brought to bear by DS Jones in terms of threats of accomplice and perjury.  Plus possibly the lesser charges of OCP, distributing cannabis and cheque book fraud. 

I'm not sure what the status of her interviews were ie under caution etc?  There doesn't seem to be any record of anyone else in attendance eg solicitor?  Are the interviews held under PII?  According to JB she didn't get on with her step-father (he apparently beat her) which perhaps explains why no male was present at trial just her mother. 

In the 'New Evidence' vid she states:

"I wasn't actually ever frightened of Jeremy.  I didn't think he'd actually do anything to  hurt me but as I kept on saying to him that I had to say something and I couldn't keep this in and questioning him he became frightened of me which is what made me become frightened of him."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_i2CjYDJGTo&feature=youtu.be&t=19m45s

In the 'Killing Mum and Dad' vid DS Jones states:

"Knowing that he'd committed all these murders but trying to play ball with me job.  I had to just pray something else would come up very shortly to prove I was right".

Narrator: "Stan sensed that Julie Mugford new the truth but no matter how often he interviewed her she was still too frightened to talk".

JM: "I didn't think that at that stage anyone would believe me and Jeremy was also so terribly confident that nobody could do anything about it that he said there was nothing I could do anyway".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcTvqLk0MWU&feature=youtu.be&t=27m

A mass of contradictions in the above:

1.  JM wasn't ever frightened of JB then she was frightened of him?

2. DS Jones says he knew JB had committed the murders then in the next breath says he prayed something (else ?) would turn up to prove he was right?  If he didn't have any proof how did he know he was right?

3. DS Jones sensed JM knew the truth but no matter how many times he interviewed her she was too frightened too talk.  Thought she said she wasn't frightened?

4. JM didn't think anyone would believe her and yet she must have known DS Jones would so why did he have to interview her so many times?

Based on the above and DS Jones' claim that JB told Mary Mugford he intended killing his family to fast forward his inheritance I think the whole JM 'evidence' is complete and utter BS.  There's no evidence JB discussed anything of the sort with MM.  If he had she would have supported her daughter by fessing up at trial and it would have been two consummate actresses at trial.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcTvqLk0MWU&feature=youtu.be&t=40m

JB was the polar opposite of DS Jones: well spoken, articulate, attractive looking, well educated and in line for a substantial inheritance.  Did envy and jealousy play a part?  JB certainly did himself no favours by showing a lack of respect during his interviews although I can understand why. 
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: New video on the case:
« Reply #55 on: May 18, 2015, 11:03:22 PM »
Quote from Murder Casebook.


"Those who knew Bamber at school, noticed his need to express his superiority."

"He was a rather prickly sort of boy" His headmaster at Gresham's, Mr. Logie Bruce-Lockhart, was to recall. "I believe some of the bys found him irritating, in that he could be a relentless tease. I think he showed at touch of arrogance at a very young age"

"A former school friend, John Fielding, remembered Bamber being a bit of an oddball"

Pity he cant post on Blue then as he'd be in good company @)(++(*

So no suspension, expulsion, bullying, arson, violent conduct, inappropriate behaviour towards female pupils, pulling wings off birds, breaking the law, graffiti, criminal damage to school property, disruptive in lessons, his parents attending Gresham's to discuss unacceptable conduct?  &%+((£

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2010/dec/31/chris-jefferies

Shut the door behind you please  ?>)()<
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Myster

Re: New video on the case:
« Reply #56 on: May 19, 2015, 12:31:50 AM »

Based on the above and DS Jones' claim that JB told Mary Mugford he intended killing his family to fast forward his inheritance I think the whole JM 'evidence' is complete and utter BS.  There's no evidence JB discussed anything of the sort with MM.  If he had she would have supported her daughter by fessing up at trial and it would have been two consummate actresses at trial.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcTvqLk0MWU&feature=youtu.be&t=40m

I've listened to this section over and over, and imo what sounds at first like "Julie's mother" is in fact a poorly pronounced "Julie Mugford", so it comes over as "Julie Mufford" or "Julie Muffer".

Stan Jones doesn't say "Julie's", but "Julie"...  https://youtu.be/bcTvqLk0MWU?t=40m2s
It's one of them cases, in'it... one of them f*ckin' cases.

Offline Caroline

Re: New video on the case:
« Reply #57 on: May 19, 2015, 02:19:20 AM »
Pity he cant post on Blue then as he'd be in good company @)(++(*

So no suspension, expulsion, bullying, arson, violent conduct, inappropriate behaviour towards female pupils, pulling wings off birds, breaking the law, graffiti, criminal damage to school property, disruptive in lessons, his parents attending Gresham's to discuss unacceptable conduct?  &%+((£

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2010/dec/31/chris-jefferies

Shut the door behind you please  ?>)()<

Point being? Parents pay a LOT of money to have their kids sent to these schools, they don't send notes home each time junior is disruptive! If you don't want to accept what people who actually knew him thought - it's called denial.

'll leave the door open thanks - even though your argument is causing a draft!  %56&

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: New video on the case:
« Reply #58 on: May 19, 2015, 12:20:33 PM »
I've listened to this section over and over, and imo what sounds at first like "Julie's mother" is in fact a poorly pronounced "Julie Mugford", so it comes over as "Julie Mufford" or "Julie Muffer".

Stan Jones doesn't say "Julie's", but "Julie"...  https://youtu.be/bcTvqLk0MWU?t=40m2s

In the preceding sentences DS Jones refers to JM as "Julie" and "she" so why would he then revert to "Julie Mugford"?  Sounds very much like "Julie's mother" to me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcTvqLk0MWU&feature=youtu.be&t=39m
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Myster

Re: New video on the case:
« Reply #59 on: May 19, 2015, 12:29:51 PM »
In the preceding sentences DS Jones refers to JM as "Julie" and "she" so why would he then revert to "Julie Mugford"?  Sounds very much like "Julie's mother" to me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcTvqLk0MWU&feature=youtu.be&t=39m

Listen to this. I've reduced the speed and it sounds like "Julie Mugford" to me...

https://soundcloud.com/user9618130/stan-jones-jeremy-bamber-1

Anyone else think the same?
It's one of them cases, in'it... one of them f*ckin' cases.