New video on the case:

[Holly Goodhead]

Listen to this. I've reduced the speed and it sounds like "Julie Mugford" to me...

https://soundcloud.com/user9618130/stan-jones-jeremy-bamber-1

Anyone else think the same?

Wow you have so many techy tricks.   

Sounds even more like "Julie's mother" to me.

[Holly Goodhead]

Point being? Parents pay a LOT of money to have their kids sent to these schools, they don't send notes home each time junior is disruptive! If you don't want to accept what people who actually knew him thought - it's called denial.

'll leave the door open thanks - even though your argument is causing a draft! 

Point being?  The statements made by LBL and John Fielding some 12/13 years after they parted company and at a time when JB was serving life for mass murder are subjective. 

Perhaps by most peoples standards he was all the things claimed eg arrogant, prickly, bit of a loner, oddball, not very popular, irritating, relentless tease etc but they aren't indicative of an individual's ability to murder.

No doubt when he was employed by Little Chef and Sloppy Joes references were sought?  If he was all or some of the things claimed above how did he manage to secure customer facing roles and maintain them?  The owners of Sloppy Joes had him live-in with them so I guess he must have been an asset to the business in his role as barman? 

There was no argument.  Had there have been I rather think you would have felt a tornado blasting you out the door with it slamming shut.  Instead I asked you nicely to shut the door upon leaving. 

[Myster]

Wow you have so many techy tricks.   

Sounds even more like "Julie's mother" to me.

No... he says Julie, not Julie's... hence "Julie Muffod said", which is Stanspeak for "Julie Mugford definitely said".

End of story.

Can you imagine, I mean really imagine Jeremy Bamber saying to Mary Mugford that he was going to get rid of his parents?  Highly unlikely!!!
 

[Holly Goodhead]

No... he says Julie, not Julie's... hence "Julie Muffod said", which is Stanspeak for "Julie Mugford definitely said".

End of story.

Can you imagine, I mean really imagine Jeremy Bamber saying to Mary Mugford that he was going to get rid of his parents?  Highly unlikely!!!

I cant imagine for a moment JB saying to anyone that he was going to get rid of his parents but I can imagine DS Jones making a faux pas.  Throughout the vid DS Jones refers to JM as "Julie" or "she" so why at the end would he refer to her as "Julie Mugford"?  I'm sure audio forensics will be able to supply the definitive answer. 

A similar thing exists with the Bain case:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mC_U--i-no

[Myster]

I cant imagine for a moment JB saying to anyone that he was going to get rid of his parents but I can imagine DS Jones making a faux pas.  Throughout the vid DS Jones refers to JM as "Julie" or "she" so why at the end would he refer to her as "Julie Mugford"?  I'm sure audio forensics will be able to supply the definitive answer. 

A similar thing exists with the Bain case:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mC_U--i-no

I agree with one of the commentators - "David Bain slaughtered his family end of story !"  It's so obvious what he muttered, hence the reason why the tape wasn't originally played in court.

... and I agree with you that SJ could have made mistake with the name.

But I also think that Julie kept Jeremy Bamber's dark side to herself, and never let on to Mary of his intention, otherwise as a responsible parent I'm sure she would have warned his parents or advised her daughter to do so.

The later part where Stan Jones used her full name might have been filmed earlier, then the sequence reversed during editing.

[Holly Goodhead]

I agree with one of the commentators - "David Bain slaughtered his family end of story !"  It's so obvious what he muttered, hence the reason why the tape wasn't originally played in court.

One of the experts said it was like looking for shapes in clouds in that you could see what you wanted to see (I agree). If it's so obvious how come his conviction has been quashed?

... and I agree with you that SJ could have made mistake with the name.

But I also think that Julie kept Jeremy Bamber's dark side to herself, and never let on to Mary of his intention, otherwise as a responsible parent I'm sure she would have warned his parents or advised her daughter to do so.

The later part where Stan Jones used her full name might have been filmed earlier, then the sequence reversed during editing.

I note that former DS Jones was introduced in the prog by way of a name card being displayed with the rank of DI so obviously promoted after the WHF case. 

[APRIL]

No... he says Julie, not Julie's... hence "Julie Muffod said", which is Stanspeak for "Julie Mugford definitely said".

End of story.

Can you imagine, I mean really imagine Jeremy Bamber saying to Mary Mugford that he was going to get rid of his parents?  Highly unlikely!!!

Agreed. Highly unlikely............not entirely impossible though, given that Mary tells us "he always called me Mummy" However, NOT so unlikely is Julie telling Mary what Jeremy had said.

[Holly Goodhead]

Mike Fielder (Sun journo) confirms he never actually saw the photos of SC that JB was intending to sell which apparently involved a cucumber and vibrator.  I think the pair may have been winding him up.  Also confirmed the approach to The Sun was made by Brett (BC). 

I don't think people understand that JB needed cash or liquid assets to meet the significant inheritance tax liability due on the estate before probate could be granted. 

Love MF's claims that JB was a "sexual predator" and "on his nights off from Julie he was rampant around the bars and clubs in South East Essex"

Then intro music: Wham's 'Bad Boy':

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eXtPXO3wTU

How the hell does MF know what JB did or didn't do on his nights off from JM?  What a load of shite.  As if hacks from The Sun are paradigms of virtue.  Sounds like the ruddy faced hack was jealous of JB's pulling power    How many females came forward pre or post trial accusing JB of any sexual impropriety?  (Or males for that matter  ).

I also note he refers to JB as being given "a home" by "these people" [NB and June].  Had JB have been born to the Bambers would he have made such a statement?  Perhaps I'm being over sensitive here but it seems to me undercurrents exist doubting the familial relationship ie JB could murder his adoptive family as he was adopted and had no feelings for them.  Also it seemed to stick in the throat of many that he was going to inherit his adoptive parents wealth and that he wasn't entitled to such.

I wonder if the CApris realise the BOGOF on Tena pads deal is over  &%+((£  I think I'll get a sign up AFTER I've mopped up the puddles on the floor 

[Holly Goodhead]

DB criticises JB for running up a 6k hotel bill on a hol to the South of France with BC.  According to JB it was a cheap hol to escape press intrusion.  6k in today's terms inflation adjusted equates to £17,248.  If, as claimed, two police officers were tailing the pair the officers must have been delighted to be on such a jolly at the tax payers expense! 

DB doubts JB's grief as he thinks it inappropriate he went for a meal/drinks at a restaurant in Burnham post funerals.  Not as inappropriate imo as the family allowing JM to identify their family at the morgue.  Or AE having her 8 yoa daughter helping her to remake the twins beds 5 days post tragedy.  Or AE setting up home at WHF.

According to DB JB verbally abused June.  Wonder if he knows June referred to SC as the Devil's child and JM a harlot.  Claire Powell makes the point in her book that SC took June's bible bashing to heart whereas JB would dismiss it.

DB blames SC and JB for June's mental breakdown in 1982.  He believes this was brought on by SC's marital breakdown and JB not living up to what was expected of him adding "the pressure of life for June was intolerable".  Hmmm I wonder what he thought was the cause of June's mental breakdown in 1959 when SC was circa 2 yoa and JB hadn't even been conceived.

He sort of concludes by saying we [family] thought he was guilty and we wanted to let the world know.  We hear very little by way of any hard evidence, other than the silencer, just a lot of tittle tattle. 

[Holly Goodhead]

As for Barbara Wilson she had a niggling feeling at the back of her mind SC might have been responsible and gone berserk but in her heart she knew JB did it.  Well that's it then lets do away with the whole judicial system and install BW for law and order 

She makes reference to NB discussing a shooting accident and apparently fearing for his life.  Wonder if she was aware that NB had received a threat from the father of a son NB had imposed a custodial sentence on in his capacity as magistrate.

She thought JB could read her mind  &%+((£   Hmmm a mind reader  &%+((£

[Myster]

One of the experts said it was like looking for shapes in clouds in that you could see what you wanted to see (I agree). If it's so obvious how come his conviction has been quashed?

Instead of "I shot the prick", David Bain might have muttered "I can't br..(eathe)", as one voice analyst suggested. But would he have been so out of breath, when he only made the urgent-sounding distress call twenty or so minutes after "discovering" the bodies of his family!!?

https://youtu.be/9mC_U--i-no?t=19s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7HsjKDSaKA

And then there's other evidence such as only DB's fingerprint(s) being found on the rifle, his blood-stained jersey in the washing machine, unexplained bruises on his face, odd behaviour later as witnessed by his aunt, etc, etc...

http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/opinion/2518912/Plenty-of-doubt-in-Bain-jurys-verdict

http://tonycollinsblog.com/category/david-bain/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXK1Pr2K0S8

[Myster]

Agreed. Highly unlikely............not entirely impossible though, given that Mary tells us "he always called me Mummy" However, NOT so unlikely is Julie telling Mary what Jeremy had said.

If that was so, do you think that Mary would have encouraged Julie to break off the relationship?

Even if Mary did know of his intention, do you think she would have gone straight to the police to voice her concern on first hearing about the murders, instead of allowing her daughter to continue living in denial for weeks after?

[APRIL]

If that was so, do you think that Mary would have encouraged Julie to break off the relationship?

Even if Mary did know of his intention, do you think she would have gone straight to the police to voice her concern on first hearing about the murders, instead of allowing her daughter to continue living in denial for weeks after?

I guess it would largely depend on when that particular little gem  slipped out. I MAY be that Mary liked the idea of a wealthy, good looking son in law and was trying to persuade Julie to try and patch up the relationship. You seem, when you mention "allowing her daughter" to be assuming that Mary had some control of Julie. Not impossible, but I'm inclined to think that Julie had lived her own life for some time as people do when they leave home.

[Myster]

Mike Fielder (Sun journo) confirms he never actually saw the photos of SC that JB was intending to sell which apparently involved a cucumber and vibrator. I think the pair may have been winding him up. Also confirmed the approach to The Sun was made by Brett (BC). 

I don't think people understand that JB needed cash or liquid assets to meet the significant inheritance tax liability due on the estate before probate could be granted. 

Love MF's claims that JB was a "sexual predator" and "on his nights off from Julie he was rampant around the bars and clubs in South East Essex"

Then intro music: Wham's 'Bad Boy':

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eXtPXO3wTU

How the hell does MF know what JB did or didn't do on his nights off from JM?  What a load of shite.

Didn't Colin Caffell see them or similar in one of the drawers when he called round at Morshead Mansions to collect Sheila's and the twins' effects? And one of Sheila's close friends mentioned something about an explicit photoshoot in her borrowed back garden, about which Sheila was ashamed.

Most people understand that JB needed cash to spend willy-nilly on a foreign drug run/pleasure trips, and champagne parties to buy peoples' love.

There's such a thing as visiting JB's old hunting grounds and asking around.

[Holly Goodhead]

Instead of "I shot the prick", David Bain might have muttered "I can't br..(eathe)", as one voice analyst suggested. But would he have been so out of breath, when he only made the urgent-sounding distress call twenty or so minutes after "discovering" the bodies of his family!!?

https://youtu.be/9mC_U--i-no?t=19s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7HsjKDSaKA

And then there's other evidence such as only DB's fingerprint(s) being found on the rifle, his blood-stained jersey in the washing machine, unexplained bruises on his face, odd behaviour later as witnessed by his aunt, etc, etc...

http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/opinion/2518912/Plenty-of-doubt-in-Bain-jurys-verdict

http://tonycollinsblog.com/category/david-bain/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXK1Pr2K0S8

I don't really know much about the Bain case but like JB's case it appears there was some dysfunction in the family which was played down along with Robin's (DB's father) depression?  Robin Bain's colleagues said he was barely able to function due to depression.  Robin had bizarre living arrangements whereby during the week he would sleep in the school house or his campervan then on the w.e he would return to the family home and sleep in a caravan as he was estranged from his wife Margaret.  Laniet (DB's sister) told a teacher she had been raped and a friend, Dean Cottle, she was in an incestuous relationship with her father.  It is said Laniet was about to spill the beans. The family home was by all accounts messy and unkempt. 

David Bain apparently had the potential to become an opera singer. 

What would be the motivation for DB to murder his family.?

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10854521