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Alfred R Jones

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Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #3885 on: August 25, 2015, 11:56:38 AM »
Perhaps you should learn to read what I posted earlier.
Why should I seek out and read every post you make on this forum?  Do you read everything I post, every link?  Why are you completely unwilling to re-post the link?

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #3886 on: August 25, 2015, 12:00:26 PM »
is this the article you are referring to Stephen
http://aboutforensics.co.uk/detection-dogs/

Offline Carana

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #3887 on: August 25, 2015, 12:01:29 PM »
The McCanns were made arguido(a) on 7th Sept 2007. Sr Amaral was given a DCM on or about 3rd Oct 2007 ceasing to be involved in the case as a consequence. The case was archived back end July 2008.
It is interesting , if Sr Amaral The Boogah Man had it all round his neck as you suggest, that the arguido status was not lifted earlier. Maybe those that followed had been indoctrinated?

I'm not sure that I understand your question, Alice. The investigation had to continue either towards charging one or more people or to archival, whoever was in charge. Arguido status isn't lifted on anyone until the end of the investigation phase.

The only exception to that appears to be someone questioned by the UK (for which I haven't seen a specific provision in the PPC). If it is true that arguido status was lifted, then I can only assume for the moment that it was a temporary arrangement to equate to the UK version of being questioned under caution.

Offline faithlilly

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #3888 on: August 25, 2015, 12:23:54 PM »
I'm not sure that I understand your question, Alice. The investigation had to continue either towards charging one or more people or to archival, whoever was in charge. Arguido status isn't lifted on anyone until the end of the investigation phase.

The only exception to that appears to be someone questioned by the UK (for which I haven't seen a specific provision in the PPC). If it is true that arguido status was lifted, then I can only assume for the moment that it was a temporary arrangement to equate to the UK version of being questioned under caution.

It would seem that under Rebelo the only individuals being seriously investigated were the parents and their friends.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Alfred R Jones

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Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #3889 on: August 25, 2015, 12:24:54 PM »
is this the article you are referring to Stephen
http://aboutforensics.co.uk/detection-dogs/
I got a Bullguard warning when I clicked on that link - just sayin...

Alfred R Jones

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Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #3890 on: August 25, 2015, 12:26:38 PM »
It would seem that under Rebelo the only individuals being seriously investigated were the parents and their friends.
On what do you base that supposition?  I thought "sceptics" were keen to point out that the PJ continued to investigate ALL theories re: Madeleine's disappearance, are you now saying this is incorrect?

Offline pegasus

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #3891 on: August 25, 2015, 12:34:16 PM »
"went to a large office store in Portimao to buy a new printer and ink"
« Last Edit: August 25, 2015, 12:40:56 PM by pegasus »

Offline faithlilly

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #3892 on: August 25, 2015, 12:39:05 PM »
On what do you base that supposition?  I thought "sceptics" were keen to point out that the PJ continued to investigate ALL theories re: Madeleine's disappearance, are you now saying this is incorrect?

There comes a time in any investigation when, although other information is considered, the focus is overwhelmingly focused on a certain individual or individuals. Under Rebelo the files show those individuals were the McCanns and their friends.

Do you disagree ?
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #3893 on: August 25, 2015, 12:40:36 PM »
There comes a time in any investigation when, although other information is considered, the focus is overwhelmingly focused on a certain individual or individuals. Under Rebelo the files show those individuals were the McCanns and their friends.

Do you disagree ?

doesn't really matter...the investigation is going in the right direction now

Offline Eleanor

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #3894 on: August 25, 2015, 12:43:21 PM »
It would seem that under Rebelo the only individuals being seriously investigated were the parents and their friends.

On the alerts of the dogs?  But that is the whole point.  Nothing else was being investigated it seems.  So more bias then?

Despite Scotland Yard coming up with a few other ideas.

Alfred R Jones

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Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #3895 on: August 25, 2015, 12:50:23 PM »
There comes a time in any investigation when, although other information is considered, the focus is overwhelmingly focused on a certain individual or individuals. Under Rebelo the files show those individuals were the McCanns and their friends.

Do you disagree ?
No I don't disagree - Amaral had taken the investigation down a blind alley to the exclusion of everything else and Rebelo had no choice but to re-examine the witnesses and arguidos.  He was being thorough, but despite his thoroughness he found nothing to suggest the parents dunnit.  Oh dear. 

ferryman

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Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #3896 on: August 25, 2015, 12:52:42 PM »
It would seem that under Rebelo the only individuals being seriously investigated were the parents and their friends.

What evidence do you have to back the claim?

For example, the final PJ report was written under the auspices of Rebello and states (quite correctly!) that at the time of the Smith sighting, Gerry was in the Tapas restaurant.

Offline pegasus

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #3897 on: August 25, 2015, 12:53:40 PM »
Did this model car have a slot cardkey or a proximity cardkey?
If its proximity type, you can drive with it sitting in door pocket or anywhere in car.

Offline Carana

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #3898 on: August 25, 2015, 12:54:32 PM »
There comes a time in any investigation when, although other information is considered, the focus is overwhelmingly focused on a certain individual or individuals. Under Rebelo the files show those individuals were the McCanns and their friends.

Do you disagree ?

No, because the clock was ticking. As there were arguidos, either one or more of them had to be charged or the case archived within a timeframe that had already been extended, unless new - credible - information had suddenly come in to take the investigation in a different direction.

The laws concerning arguidos have since been modified.

Offline Carana

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #3899 on: August 25, 2015, 12:59:58 PM »
Did this model car have a slot cardkey or a proximity cardkey?
If its proximity type, you can drive with it sitting in door pocket or anywhere in car.

Don't know... when was the car manufactured?

At some point a proximity card would need to be handled, wouldn't it?