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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: The Murders At White House Farm by Carol Ann Lee
« Reply #30 on: June 26, 2015, 03:24:01 PM »
Actually I should have said just over 3 weeks time.  3 weeks tomorrow to be precise. 
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Myster

Re: The Murders At White House Farm by Carol Ann Lee
« Reply #31 on: June 26, 2015, 06:13:37 PM »
Actually I should have said just over 3 weeks time.  3 weeks tomorrow to be precise.

Oy Vey!!!  You want precise... you got precise... The Murders At White House Farm by Carol Ann Lee.

and for balance... Deviant: Jeremy Bamber and the White House Farm Murders by Paul Harrison.
It's one of them cases, in'it... one of them f*ckin' cases.

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: The Murders At White House Farm by Carol Ann Lee
« Reply #32 on: June 28, 2015, 04:09:40 PM »
Oy Vey!!!  You want precise... you got precise... The Murders At White House Farm by Carol Ann Lee.

and for balance... Deviant: Jeremy Bamber and the White House Farm Murders by Paul Harrison.

Thank you Myster.  Endlessly resourceful  8**8:/:

Not long now.  Meanwhile we have Glastonbury, women's football world cup (England thru to semis  8@??)(), Wimbledon and the summer sun to keep us occupied.  Happy days  ?{)(**
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Myster

Re: The Murders At White House Farm by Carol Ann Lee
« Reply #33 on: June 28, 2015, 08:36:48 PM »
Want a free advance copy to review, Holly?  8((()*/
You need to be a "pro reader of influence" though.  The question is... do you qualify?  &%+((£

https://jillysheep.wordpress.com/2015/06/26/the-murders-at-white-house-farm-by-carol-ann-lee/

https://s2.netgalley.com/tour

https://s2.netgalley.com/catalog/book/66575
It's one of them cases, in'it... one of them f*ckin' cases.

Offline puglove

Re: The Murders At White House Farm by Carol Ann Lee
« Reply #34 on: June 29, 2015, 12:30:21 AM »
Thank you Myster.  Endlessly resourceful  8**8:/:

Not long now.  Meanwhile we have Glastonbury, women's football world cup (England thru to semis  8@??)(), Wimbledon and the summer sun to keep us occupied.  Happy days  ?{)(**

Oh Holl, books schmooks.

Ultimate bliss is the sun shining, my swallows fledging, and getting the hay in. An added bonus is Bamber having a mushy sprout rammed up his bumhole.

 *&*%£

Jeremy Bamber kicked Mike Tesko in the fanny.

Offline John

Re: The Murders At White House Farm by Carol Ann Lee
« Reply #35 on: June 29, 2015, 12:45:43 AM »
Without a shadow of doubt, these authors are gleaming their information from the two forums so for anyone who has followed the progress of the case here and on blue, I fear nothing new will be learned.

I bet neither of them identify Bamber's co-conspirator however.
« Last Edit: July 07, 2018, 01:09:30 PM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: The Murders At White House Farm by Carol Ann Lee
« Reply #36 on: June 29, 2015, 10:06:07 AM »
Oh Holl, books schmooks.

Ultimate bliss is the sun shining, my swallows fledging, and getting the hay in. An added bonus is Bamber having a mushy sprout rammed up his bumhole.

 *&*%£

Think JB might have a bit more than a mushy sprout rammed in all sorts of orifices!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prison_sexuality
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: The Murders At White House Farm by Carol Ann Lee
« Reply #37 on: June 29, 2015, 10:25:43 AM »
Want a free advance copy to review, Holly?  8((()*/
You need to be a "pro reader of influence" though.  The question is... do you qualify?  &%+((£

https://jillysheep.wordpress.com/2015/06/26/the-murders-at-white-house-farm-by-carol-ann-lee/

https://s2.netgalley.com/tour

https://s2.netgalley.com/catalog/book/66575

Oh Myster  8**8:/:

I must surely meet the criteria of "Pro reader of influence" by my membership/posts on the UK Justice forum  ?>)()<  Anyway I'm prepared to wait.  I like the build-up and anticipation; a bit like a lengthy session of foreplay  8(*(
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: The Murders At White House Farm by Carol Ann Lee
« Reply #38 on: June 29, 2015, 10:32:10 AM »
Without a shadow of doubt, these authors are gleaming their information from the two forums so for anyone who has followed the progress of the case here and on blue, I fear nothing new will be learned.

Based on the review Myster has posted it appears not.  As far as I can see the only way in which anything new might be learned would be by commissioning tests and paying for expert testimony.  Do authors and/or their backers eg publishers have the money for such?  I've no idea of the commercial viability, mark up on books etc?

I bet neither of them identify Bambers co-conspirator however.   £4%4£

Have you John?
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Myster

Re: The Murders At White House Farm by Carol Ann Lee
« Reply #39 on: June 29, 2015, 12:30:46 PM »
Oh Myster  8**8:/:

I must surely meet the criteria of "Pro reader of influence" by my membership/posts on the UK Justice forum  ?>)()<  Anyway I'm prepared to wait.  I like the build-up and anticipation; a bit like a lengthy session of foreplay  8(*(

Reviews are coming out thick and fast, four weeks before the book's official release...

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/25686362-the-murders-at-white-house-farm

Sometimes you've gotta grab a quickie when freely offered... or live to regret it!  8(8-))
It's one of them cases, in'it... one of them f*ckin' cases.

Offline John

Re: The Murders At White House Farm by Carol Ann Lee
« Reply #40 on: June 29, 2015, 12:36:31 PM »
Have you John?

Yes, and I believe most well informed followers of this case know who that individual was.


Reviews are coming out thick and fast, four weeks before the book's official release...

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/25686362-the-murders-at-white-house-farm

Sometimes you've gotta grab a quickie when freely offered... or live to regret it!  8(8-))

I wonder will this book be yet another attempt to label the Bamber household dysfunctional when the only real dysfunctional individual was Jeremy Bamber himself?

« Last Edit: June 29, 2015, 03:06:48 PM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: The Murders At White House Farm by Carol Ann Lee
« Reply #41 on: June 29, 2015, 02:35:40 PM »
Yes, and I believe most well informed followers of this case know who that individual was.

I'm obviously not a well informed follower of the case as I have no idea who you are referring to and would be grateful if you could enlighten me.

I wonder will this book be yet another attempt to label the Bamber household dysfunctional when the only real dysfunctional individual was Jeremy Bamber himself?

What would you call a family created by two 'closed' adoptions in the late 50's and early 60's whereby the adoptive mother suffered serious mental illness as a result of her decision to adopt; both adoptees appear to have suffered over and above the 'normal' developmental issues; one then develops mental illness and the other is convicted of murdering his entire immediate adoptive family including his adopted sister's twin sons.  Doesn't sound 'normal' to my mind  &%+((£  Especially when compared with the genetic families:

- Boutflours/Eatons - no history of mental illness and/or religious mania?

- Sheila's birth family - no history of mental illness and/or religious mania?

- Jeremy's birth family - no history of criminality, anti-social personality disorder?
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline John

Re: The Murders At White House Farm by Carol Ann Lee
« Reply #42 on: June 29, 2015, 02:57:37 PM »
I'm obviously not a well informed follower of the case as I have no idea who you are referring to and would be grateful if you could enlighten me.

It doesn't really take much working out Holly so I will let you ponder the issue.



What would you call a family created by two 'closed' adoptions in the late 50's and early 60's whereby the adoptive mother suffered serious mental illness as a result of her decision to adopt; both adoptees appear to have suffered over and above the 'normal' developmental issues; one then develops mental illness and the other is convicted of murdering his entire immediate adoptive family including his adopted sister's twin sons.  Doesn't sound 'normal' to my mind  &%+((£  Especially when compared with the genetic families:

- Boutflours/Eatons - no history of mental illness and/or religious mania?

- Sheila's birth family - no history of mental illness and/or religious mania?

- Jeremy's birth family - no history of criminality, anti-social personality disorder?

Unfortunate?   When you have children you really don't know how they will turn out, similarly, when you adopt, there are NO guarantees.  One can only do ones best and that is what Nevile and June attempted.  They taught them right from wrong but both of them rebelled in different ways...bad luck all round imo.



June Bamber with adopted children Sheila and Jeremy with family pet Crispy in happier times.

(Jeremy was later to kill them all claiming they had worthless lives)
« Last Edit: June 29, 2015, 10:09:13 PM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline APRIL

Re: The Murders At White House Farm by Carol Ann Lee
« Reply #43 on: June 29, 2015, 04:26:49 PM »
It doesn't really take much working out Holly so I will let you ponder the issue.


Unfortunate?   When you have children you really don't know how they will turn out, similarly, when you adopt, there are NO guarantees.  One can only do ones best and that is what Nevile and June attempted.  They taught them right from wrong but both of them rebelled in different ways...bad luck all round imo.



June Bamber with adopted children Sheila and Jeremy with family pet Crispy in happier times.

(Jeremy was later to kill them all claiming they had worthless lives)

John, I agree entirely that there are no guarantees about how children will turn out, BUT biological children, for the MOST part will have much about them which has been handed down from his/her parents. Adopted children don't have those genetics to fall back on so it's possible they could find themselves living with one or both parents whose concepts are innately alien to them.

Whilst it can't be said to be true of ALL adoptive parents, like biological parents we have to look at their own childhood experiences to understand what sort of parents they're likely to become.  I think it highly likely that June had the same expectations of HER children as her mother had of her, ie duty, obedience and responsibility to parents, society and God. Whilst her biological children would have probably been genetically predisposed to the concept, her adopted children may have -and I think probably DID- see it as harsh and restrictive. For all that, June was a good, devoted woman -I've never heard a bad word said about her- who, I believe, within her own parameters, limited, but she had no other frame of reference, did the best she knew how. Sadly, I believe that because neither Jeremy nor Sheila conformed to her expectations, it's likely that June became overwhelmed and felt  that others would judge her to have failed.

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: The Murders At White House Farm by Carol Ann Lee
« Reply #44 on: June 29, 2015, 05:18:21 PM »
It doesn't really take much working out Holly so I will let you ponder the issue.

I guess I could come up with all sorts of names but I prefer not to speculate in the absence of any evidence whatsoever.


Unfortunate?   When you have children you really don't know how they will turn out, similarly, when you adopt, there are NO guarantees.  One can only do ones best and that is what Nevile and June attempted.  They taught them right from wrong but both of them rebelled in different ways...bad luck all round imo.



June Bamber with adopted children Sheila and Jeremy with family pet Crispy in happier times.

(Jeremy was later to kill them all claiming they had worthless lives)

I maintain June's mental illness circa 1959 caused by her decision to adopt had a profound effect on SC and adversely impacted all family members.  SC should have been removed from the Bambers' care permanently   and as a couple they should have been prevented from adopting again.  Instead SC was placed in foster care and later returned to the Bambers who went on to adopt JB. 

I'm sure June was a very decent woman on all fronts but that doesn't mean by default she made for a good adoptive mother.  CC had concerns about her influence on the twins.  In his book he states he forbid June unsupervised contact with the twins.  She was later found to have hoodwinked CC's girlfriend and took the twins into a room and made them pray.  I have previously posted that studies show adoptive parents and religion are not always a good mix. 

http://www.originsnsw.com/mentalhealth/id5.html
 
"Mc Whinnie also refers to her study about the conditions of religious affiliation for prospective adopters. Her study again shows that other factors are important here, and it should not be assumed that because the adopters are members of a church they would make sympathetic adopters. In fact it would seem important to assess particularly carefully the attitudes of those who hold very rigid religious beliefs since these, if unduly puritanical, might lead them to finding difficulty in accepting illegitimacy and the child born to unmarried parents" 
 
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?