The Murders At White House Farm by Carol Ann Lee

[Myster]

Based on the review Myster has posted it appears not.  As far as I can see the only way in which anything new might be learned would be by commissioning tests and paying for expert testimony.

There is something new... an e-mail from Colin Caffell in CAL's book...

and "With startling evidence never before seen and a dramatic conclusion this, for the first time in print" in PH's.

[Holly Goodhead]

There is something new... an e-mail from Colin Caffell in CAL's book...

and "With startling evidence never before seen and a dramatic conclusion this, for the first time in print" in PH's.

Yes I'm sure there will be some new info eg I was unaware June worked undercover in WW2.  But I'm very sceptical about anything new from an evidential perspective that is also capable of withstanding scrutiny.  PH has made all sorts of claims in the past re his Ripper and Bible John books which amounted to a lot of hot air!

[John]

John, I agree entirely that there are no guarantees about how children will turn out, BUT biological children, for the MOST part will have much about them which has been handed down from his/her parents. Adopted children don't have those genetics to fall back on so it's possible they could find themselves living with one or both parents whose concepts are innately alien to them.

Whilst it can't be said to be true of ALL adoptive parents, like biological parents we have to look at their own childhood experiences to understand what sort of parents they're likely to become.  I think it highly likely that June had the same expectations of HER children as her mother had of her, ie duty, obedience and responsibility to parents, society and God. Whilst her biological children would have probably been genetically predisposed to the concept, her adopted children may have -and I think probably DID- see it as harsh and restrictive. For all that, June was a good, devoted woman -I've never heard a bad word said about her- who, I believe, within her own parameters, limited, but she had no other frame of reference, did the best she knew how. Sadly, I believe that because neither Jeremy nor Sheila conformed to her expectations, it's likely that June became overwhelmed and felt  that others would judge her to have failed.

An excellent post April, I fully agree with those sentiments.

[John]

Yes I'm sure there will be some new info eg I was unaware June worked undercover in WW2.  But I'm very sceptical about anything new from an evidential perspective that is also capable of withstanding scrutiny.  PH has made all sorts of claims in the past re his Ripper and Bible John books which amounted to a lot of hot air!

    

[Myster]

Another review...

http://reviewsrevues.com/2015/06/25/the-murders-at-white-house-farm-carol-ann-lee-2015-a-murder-they-wrote-review/

[Myster]

Holly's view of SJ maybe?... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qwGeyDQzm4&feature=youtu.be

[John]

Holly's view of SJ maybe?... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qwGeyDQzm4&feature=youtu.be

 

I don't understand why Holly's chooses to attack Stan.   He was an accomplished police officer rising to the rank of DI the hard way.

[Holly Goodhead]

I don't understand why Holly's chooses to attack Stan.   He was an accomplished police officer rising to the rank of DI the hard way.

I apologise if my posts regarding DS Jones come over as attacking.  I see them more as criticism, especially with regard to his drinking alcohol whilst on duty, in the same way as others criticise DCI Jones.

As far as I am aware all police officers have to undertake 6 months as a PC on the beat including graduates ie there's no fast-track/alternative route to progressing up the ranks? 

Did DS Jones reach the rank of DI? 

http://www.essex.police.uk/about/obituaries.aspx

Chief Supt George Harris also worked his way up through the ranks.  He looks sober and a safe pair of hands imo.

http://www.essex.police.uk/museum/thelaw/n_8306lw.pdf

As far as I can see he signed off the soc/WHF as 4 murders/1 suicide and I feel extremely confident he will ultimately be proved correct.

[John]

I apologise if my posts regarding DS Jones come over as attacking.  I see them more as criticism, especially with regard to his drinking alcohol whilst on duty, in the same way as others criticise DCI Jones.

As far as I am aware all police officers have to undertake 6 months as a PC on the beat including graduates ie there's no fast-track/alternative route to progressing up the ranks? 

Did DS Jones reach the rank of DI? 

http://www.essex.police.uk/about/obituaries.aspx

Chief Supt George Harris also worked his way up through the ranks.  He looks sober and a safe pair of hands imo.

http://www.essex.police.uk/museum/thelaw/n_8306lw.pdf

As far as I can see he signed off the soc/WHF as 4 murders/1 suicide and I feel extremely confident he will ultimately be proved correct.

All cops have to work their way up through the ranks unlike the military services where one can fast track to Lieutenant.  When it comes to detecting some crimes however, good old Dixon of Dock Green style is preferable to career police who only look up.

[Holly Goodhead]

Holly's view of SJ maybe?... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qwGeyDQzm4&feature=youtu.be

 

Maybe 

[Holly Goodhead]

Holly's view of SJ maybe?... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qwGeyDQzm4&feature=youtu.be

When NB likened the police at Witham to Dad's Army I wonder if he had anyone specific in mind  &%+((£

Excerpt from RB's WS:

"he (NB) commented that if they were like the police at Witham they were no more good than Dad's Army":

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=513.0;attach=1651

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=513.0;attach=1652

[Myster]

When NB likened the police at Witham to Dad's Army I wonder if he had anyone specific in mind  &%+((£

Excerpt from RB's WS:

"he (NB) commented that if they were like the police at Witham they were no more good than Dad's Army":

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=513.0;attach=1651

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=513.0;attach=1652

It does make you think who NB had dealings with at Witham, whether regarding his magisterial work or previous death threats, but names aren't documented as far as I know.

If you were banned ages ago, how come you can still see statements over there?  Why not do an abs and post the above, because other than blues who've converted, no-one else here including myself can see them.

[Holly Goodhead]

It does make you think who NB had dealings with at Witham, whether regarding his magisterial work or previous death threats, but names aren't documented as far as I know.

If you were banned ages ago, how come you can still see statements over there?  Why not do an abs and post the above, because other than blues who've converted, no-one else here including myself can see them.

I copied a post from the Nun/Blue before NGB closed the iron curtains.  Some posters remain loyal to the Nun and I will see what I can do   

[puglove]

Holl, presupposing the 2 new books tell us what we already know, will you still tilt at lost windmills?

Will you ever explain why Bamber planned the murders?

Will you explain why the gun was free of prints?

Will you explain how Sheila was free of blood splatter on her legs?

I could go on, but I can't be arsed. If Sheila fought with Ralph in the kitchen, she would have been a mess. Covered in blood. And bruises. And gun residue.

I totally rest my case.

[mercury]

If bamber is so guilty why the campaign for years for his innocence...wouldn't they have given upby now