The Murders At White House Farm by Carol Ann Lee

[Holly Goodhead]

Found the link...

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=Rj14BwAAQBAJ&pg=PP255&lpg=PP255&dq=The+Murders+at+White+House+Farm+read&source=bl&ots=h7KmLHRnPl&sig=Mq-fJTjV015NHZ2BOWq7GlxUSEY&hl=en&sa=X&ei=pz2gVba6EeXW7QaXzYjADg&ved=0CEsQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=The%20Murders%20at%20White%20House%20Farm%20read&f=false

Looks like the WHF plans have been taken from yours truly's.

Looks like a lot of the content has been gleaned from the forums!  &%+((£

Patti's research into SC's birth family and the nursery pre adoption and my introduction of the 'Primal Wound'!  &%+((£

CAL if you're reading we trust you'll be getting the drinks in 

[John]

Gut instinct is a good starting point but the danger is that officers became convinced they are right based on subjective aspects eg JB's attitude and behaviour and then go about fabricating evidence to get a conviction.

I posted this earlier today where DS Jones says he knew JB was guilty of the murders but then says he had to pray something would turn up to prove him right.  Very worrying: 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcTvqLk0MWU&feature=youtu.be&t=26m29s

If DS Jones was a an excellent officer why didn't he rise about the rank of Sargent?

Lots of good police officers don't wish to end up as managers so refuse promotion, its that simple.

[John]

Looks like a lot of the content has been gleaned from the forums!  &%+((£

Nothing new there then!

Little of anything of significance relative to the murders will be found in either book but if you like reading triviality do carry on.

[puglove]

True.  But police officers, and others eg police surgeons and pathologists, are trained to think critically/independently and not to be led by witnesses at soc?  They are frequently called to such scenes: domestic violence, child abuse, disputes turned violent between neighbours, rape.  All these scenarios usually involve one witness/victim blaming the other witness/victim. 

Those who believe JB guilty must by definition disbelieve the phone call.  They porn scorn on the idea that NB would call JB.  Can you honestly imagine multiple police officers, from various ranks, and others, accepting the phone call at face value and being totally oblivious to what was staring them in the face ie that SC was without signs of a struggle or blood beyond her own injuries (or certainly that's what the photos seem to indicate) having observed the state of poor NB in the kitchen?

I've noted a lot of input in CAL's book from the Carr family who don't have a good word to say about JB.  It seems they might have been influenced from day 1; Jim Carr was effectively employed by RB.  People often aren't good at thinking critically and independently unless they have been trained and/or encouraged to do so.  Hence we have "popular delusions" and "the madness of crowds".  A current example is the small Chinese investor encouraged to invest their life savings into the China stock-market by the government. 

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=580.msg17683#msg17683

Have you been reading about John "Goldfinger" Palmer, Holl? Essex police and TWO ambulance crews decided that he had died of natural causes - he'd been shot six times!!


  www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJ5r3oNFVeE

[puglove]

More easier to follow extracts here... http://www.sainsburysebooks.co.uk/reader/9780283072222?fromssl=true

Lucky pugsy!  ... you'll have the whole book for FREE before the 30th... HOPEFULLY!       

You reading, Carol? 

I'm just getting something about my browser not being supported, whatever that means.   

I'll probably buy the book, but I'm not really that fussed to trawl through reams of details to reach a foregone conclusion. I don't think that Bamber deserves the oxygen, anymore than all the other child murderers. I just want to read Colin's message.

[puglove]

Nothing new there then!

Little of anything of significance relative to the murders will be found in either book but if you like reading triviality do carry on.

I think you're probably right, John. I wonder if, when I'm having a cheeky google, I'll stumble across "Mason Doyle's" effort? And his "smoking gun"?

Or I just might paint the back door. Then watch it dry.   

[Myster]

I'm just getting something about my browser not being supported, whatever that means.   

I'll probably buy the book, but I'm not really that fussed to trawl through reams of details to reach a foregone conclusion. I don't think that Bamber deserves the oxygen, anymore than all the other child murderers. I just want to read Colin's message.

I use Firefox browser, and it reads OK on that, more like a book, but it's exactly the same text/content that you showed me and have already read... just a bit easier on the eye with sepia-toned option, that's all.  They'll not give too much away, just a taster!

You buying the book or e-pub?

If you want the cheaper e-pub version (£7.47), try downloading the free "Kindle Reading App" which acts like a virtual Kindle on your laptop or PC.

You have to enter your e-mail address first, and if I remember they also give you one or two free classics such as Treasure Island and Pride & Prejudice to try out to see if they work...

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Murders-White-House-Farm-ebook/dp/B00UXKJ0SA/ref=tmm_kin_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&sr=&qid=

Here's the Kindle App on my PC, but it also works on a spare laptop...

[puglove]

I use Firefox browser, and it reads OK on that, more like a book, but it's exactly the same text/content that you showed me and have already read... just a bit easier on the eye with sepia-toned option, that's all.  They'll not give too much away, just a taster!

You buying the book or e-pub?

If you want the cheaper e-pub version (£7.47), try downloading the free "Kindle Reading App" which acts like a virtual Kindle on your laptop or PC.

You have to enter your e-mail address first, and if I remember they also give you one or two free classics such as Treasure Island and Pride & Prejudice to try out to see if they work...

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Murders-White-House-Farm-ebook/dp/B00UXKJ0SA/ref=tmm_kin_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&sr=&qid=

Here's the Kindle App on my PC, but it also works on a spare laptop...

Oh right. Firefox cheaper pub version. Got it.

Myster, I haven't got a clue what you're on about, I understood one word in ten. But I know you mean well!!   

I'll just order the book from Amazon. Then I'll probably skim through it. Massive kudos to C.A.L. for researching in depth.

And ten years later, Bamber will be farting like a trooper after his mushy sprouts, and pulling his cracker with Mark Bridger.

[puglove]

Nothing new there then!

Little of anything of significance relative to the murders will be found in either book but if you like reading triviality do carry on.

I suppose that when Ian Brady and Peter Sutcliffe shuffle off their ghastly mortal coils there will be a little flurry of interest in them again. For a while. Bamber seems to be getting his 15 minutes in the next couple of weeks. Thank goodness it will be a pyrrhic victory.   

[Myster]

Oh right. Firefox cheaper pub version. Got it.

Myster, I haven't got a clue what you're on about, I understood one word in ten. But I know you mean well!!   

I'll just order the book from Amazon. Then I'll probably skim through it. Massive kudos to C.A.L. for researching in depth.

And ten years later, Bamber will be farting like a trooper after his mushy sprouts, and pulling his cracker with Mark Bridger.

What sort of computer have you got... A Victorian Steampunk Sumsang? 

Get BT on the job... he'll sort you out! 

P.S. - when you've skimmed through the book, skim it my way if you would.... please. 

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[John]

From The Mail on Sunday

Carol Ann Lee, "Now I know Bamber did it"

Better late than never I suppose.  ching ching



www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3157376/Now-know-Bamber-did-Crime-writer-s-definitive-verdict-public-schoolboy-slaughtered-entire-family-30-years-ago-tried-frame-dead-sister-protested-innocence.html

[Myster]

I reckon CAL's ahead by a furlong in this two-horse race!

weeee! --------------------------------  ... Gee-yup, Paul!

[puglove]

What sort of computer have you got... A Victorian Steampunk Sumsang? 

Get BT on the job... he'll sort you out! 

P.S. - when you've skimmed through the book, skim it my way if you would.... please. 

BT's called BT because he's got big tits, not because he's got any computer skills!

I owe you a prezzie, so I've just ordered you a copy from the Mail, I'll get it off to Myster Towers as soon as it arrives.   

[John]

I reckon CAL's ahead by a furlong in this two-horse race!

weeee! --------------------------------  ... Gee-yup, Paul!

Yes, a two-horse race to a conclusion most of us have already made in any event.  I suppose she's got to eat.

Holly's quiet...has she got over the shock yet?