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Offline mercury

Re: WAS GONCALO AMARAL DOOMED BEFORE HE EVEN STARTED
« Reply #15 on: July 14, 2015, 07:19:01 PM »
He was embroiled in a torture case concerning the mother of the only other missing child case he appears to have ever been involved in. Hence, my earlier comment that it might have been better if he'd been whisked off to handle a high-profile case of a different nature elsewhere at the earliest opportunity.

you can wish all you like, there is nothing to evidence or prove  he was not fit to do his job

ferryman

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Re: WAS GONCALO AMARAL DOOMED BEFORE HE EVEN STARTED
« Reply #16 on: July 14, 2015, 07:51:56 PM »
Did Amaral ever find JT to be credible?

Not unless he revised his opinion after writing his book.

Offline pathfinder73

Re: WAS GONCALO AMARAL DOOMED BEFORE HE EVEN STARTED
« Reply #17 on: July 14, 2015, 11:25:35 PM »
Not unless he revised his opinion after writing his book.

She was unreliable due to her being pressurized and used. She carried that weight for a long time (crying in the McCann reconstruction in 2009). There's no doubt she had a guilty conscience thinking she could have saved Madeleine and wanting to help in any way to catch that man. Jane will be happy that the man she saw was in fact innocent.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline sadie

Re: WAS GONCALO AMARAL DOOMED BEFORE HE EVEN STARTED
« Reply #18 on: July 15, 2015, 01:14:56 AM »
you can wish all you like, there is nothing to evidence or prove  he was not fit to do his job
You can say what you wish mercury, but most honest people would not think that a lying cop was fit to do his job.  I know that his perjury was not proven at that point, but there was at least one big question mark over him.

I doubt many Police Forces in other Countries would have put him in charge of such a case.  In fact I would have thought that most Forces would have put him on temporary leave until after the Torture Trial.

Offline mercury

Re: WAS GONCALO AMARAL DOOMED BEFORE HE EVEN STARTED
« Reply #19 on: July 15, 2015, 02:31:23 AM »
I dont see any problem, cops lie all the time
its part of their job description when seeking criminals,its allowed

Offline sadie

Re: WAS GONCALO AMARAL DOOMED BEFORE HE EVEN STARTED
« Reply #20 on: July 15, 2015, 08:55:20 AM »
Have you been sleeping all the past 7 or so years mercury?

Amaral was sentenced to 18 months on a charge of perjury in the Cipriano torture trial



stephen25000

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Re: WAS GONCALO AMARAL DOOMED BEFORE HE EVEN STARTED
« Reply #21 on: July 15, 2015, 09:47:52 AM »
Have you been sleeping all the past 7 or so years mercury?

Amaral was sentenced to 18 months on a charge of perjury in the Cipriano torture trial


Do you in reality believe police always tell the truth ?


« Last Edit: July 16, 2015, 12:02:38 PM by John »

Offline Benice

Re: WAS GONCALO AMARAL DOOMED BEFORE HE EVEN STARTED
« Reply #22 on: July 15, 2015, 09:56:35 AM »
Do you in reality believe police always tell the truth ?

Well we certainly know of two who lie.  One is Amaral and the other is Tavares - both with criminal convictions to prove it.   And they were the Lead Investigator and his 2nd in command conducting the McCann case.  Jeez.

The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline xtina

Re: WAS GONCALO AMARAL DOOMED BEFORE HE EVEN STARTED
« Reply #23 on: July 15, 2015, 10:15:53 AM »
Well we certainly know of two who lie.  One is Amaral and the other is Tavares - both with criminal convictions to prove it.   And they were the Lead Investigator and his 2nd in command conducting the McCann case.  Jeez.


mmm we do certainly know two don't we .....Goncalo Amaral did not ask for the job ....he was doomed to failure ....and on top of that his life has been ruined ...because ...he cared ...and still does ....an he was not the one who dumped his children in an apartment on there own .....WAS HE
Always listen to both sides of the story before you judge.

The first storyteller you will always find has modified the story, for there benefit BE WISE.

stephen25000

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Re: WAS GONCALO AMARAL DOOMED BEFORE HE EVEN STARTED
« Reply #24 on: July 15, 2015, 10:28:51 AM »
Well we certainly know of two who lie.  One is Amaral and the other is Tavares - both with criminal convictions to prove it.   And they were the Lead Investigator and his 2nd in command conducting the McCann case.  Jeez.

How many policeman lie in the course of their work benice ?

Do you think they always tell the truth ?

Offline Benice

Re: WAS GONCALO AMARAL DOOMED BEFORE HE EVEN STARTED
« Reply #25 on: July 15, 2015, 10:35:57 AM »

mmm we do certainly know two don't we .....Goncalo Amaral did not ask for the job ....he was doomed to failure ....and on top of that his life has been ruined ...because ...he cared ...and still does ....an he was not the one who dumped his children in an apartment on there own .....WAS HE

Many of Amarals problems were already in existence before the McCanns set foot in Portugal. 

The man is an adulterer, who was taken to court by his own brother for fraud.   And inspite of making lots of money on Madeleine's back - is still being pursued by the PJ authorities for unpaid tax.  He's a tax avoider.    On top of all that he has a criminal conviction for perjury- when he set out to pervert the course of justice by trying to hide the torture of a defenceless woman in his custody.

Amaral is a proven corrupt cop - the lowest of the low IMO.

If Gerry or Kate had as much as a parking ticket - they would be ripped to shreds.

The hypocrisy displayed regarding Amaral is jaw-dropping IMO.   





 
« Last Edit: July 16, 2015, 12:03:58 PM by John »
The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline xtina

Re: WAS GONCALO AMARAL DOOMED BEFORE HE EVEN STARTED
« Reply #26 on: July 15, 2015, 10:53:06 AM »
Many of Amarals problems were already in existence before the McCanns set foot in Portugal. 

The man is an adulterer, who was taken to court by his own brother for fraud.   And inspite of making lots of money on Madeleine's back - is still being pursued by the PJ authorities for unpaid tax.  He's a tax avoider.    On top of all that he has a criminal conviction for perjury- when he set out to pervert the course of justice by trying to hide the torture of a defenceless woman in his custody.

Amaral is a proven corrupt cop - the lowest of the low IMO.

If Gerry or Kate had as much as a parking ticket - they would be ripped to shreds.

The hypocrisy displayed regarding Amaral is jaw-dropping IMO.


also@alf
yes well as you say ....your opinion ...not mine..an i don't feel i have to stick up for him either ...or forever  fight his corner ........like some feel the need on here to do for the mccs


as for police..they are a law unto themselves ...nothing was as bad as there brutality in the 60s and 70s ....they often just worked on gut instinct as well ..to get a conviction.


The Biggest Gang in Britain: Shining a Light on the Culture of Police Corruption

http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Biggest-Gang-Britain-Corruption/dp/1781486069
« Last Edit: July 16, 2015, 12:05:24 PM by John »
Always listen to both sides of the story before you judge.

The first storyteller you will always find has modified the story, for there benefit BE WISE.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: WAS GONCALO AMARAL DOOMED BEFORE HE EVEN STARTED
« Reply #27 on: July 15, 2015, 11:02:14 AM »

also@alf
yes well as you say ....your opinion ...not mine..an i don't feel i have to stick up for him either ...or forever  fight his corner ........like some feel the need on here to do for the mccs


as for police..they are a law unto themselves ...nothing was as bad as there brutality in the 60s and 70s ....they often just worked on gut instinct as well ..to get a conviction.


The Biggest Gang in Britain: Shining a Light on the Culture of Police Corruption

http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Biggest-Gang-Britain-Corruption/dp/1781486069

you will find there was a lot more brutality and police corruption in other countries...Portugal included...we only have to look at Cipriano. I simply cannot see a suspect appearing in a british court looking like that.

stephen25000

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Re: WAS GONCALO AMARAL DOOMED BEFORE HE EVEN STARTED
« Reply #28 on: July 15, 2015, 11:06:03 AM »
you will find there was a lot more brutality and police corruption in other countries...Portugal included...we only have to look at Cipriano. I simply cannot see a suspect appearing in a british court looking like that.

Can you remember the Miner's Strike.

Excellent example of police 'behaviour'.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: WAS GONCALO AMARAL DOOMED BEFORE HE EVEN STARTED
« Reply #29 on: July 15, 2015, 11:09:58 AM »
Can you remember the Miner's Strike.

Excellent example of police 'behaviour'.

british police have not featured on amnesty int site as have portuguese