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stephen25000

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Re: Has xenophobia played a large part in the investigation?
« Reply #15 on: July 02, 2015, 10:06:34 PM »
the British press for some reason attacked the Portuguese from day one, without knowing any facts

Nothing new there.

The Tabloid T###s are well known for their neutral journalism. &%&£(+ &%&£(+ &%&£(+

Offline G-Unit

Re: Has xenophobia played a large part in the investigation?
« Reply #16 on: July 03, 2015, 06:37:48 AM »
I consider the Tweedledee/Tweedledum remark xenophobic, you obviously wouldn't. I await your opinion of people who poke fun at policemen who have responded to their call for help.
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Re: Has xenophobia played a large part in the investigation?
« Reply #17 on: July 03, 2015, 07:20:56 AM »
I consider the Tweedledee/Tweedledum remark xenophobic, you obviously wouldn't. I await your opinion of people who poke fun at policemen who have responded to their call for help.

if the policemen behave like the tweedles then it's fair comment and not xenophobic
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stephen25000

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Re: Has xenophobia played a large part in the investigation?
« Reply #18 on: July 03, 2015, 07:39:19 AM »
if the policemen behave like the tweedles then it's fair comment and not xenophobic

So by that logic if there are other police officers who can't solve a crime , they can be classified as tweedles, can't they ????

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Has xenophobia played a large part in the investigation?
« Reply #19 on: July 03, 2015, 07:59:32 AM »
So by that logic if there are other police officers who can't solve a crime , they can be classified as tweedles, can't they ????

you can classify anyone how you like...and so can I tweedles

Alfred R Jones

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Re: Has xenophobia played a large part in the investigation?
« Reply #20 on: July 03, 2015, 08:01:58 AM »
I consider the Tweedledee/Tweedledum remark xenophobic, you obviously wouldn't. I await your opinion of people who poke fun at policemen who have responded to their call for help.

If you call for police help you expect them to help, if they don't in your opinion do enough or anything to help then you've every right to criticise them, or are foreign police above criticism in your view?  When Portuguese people criticise the McCanns' parenting skills and ridicule them is that xenophobia? 
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stephen25000

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Re: Has xenophobia played a large part in the investigation?
« Reply #21 on: July 03, 2015, 08:17:41 AM »
If you call for police help you expect them to help, if they don't in your opinion do enough or anything to help then you've every right to criticise them, or are foreign police above criticism in your view?  When Portuguese people criticise the McCanns' parenting skills and ridicule them is that xenophobia?

The mccanns searched for Madeleine the following morning with a short stroll on the beach, and that was it.

Local police, local inhabitants and holidaymakers searched all night and on successive days.

No trace was found of her, which remains the case..

The mccann reaction was a reflection of their arrogance and belief in their own superiority.

No irony of course.

Offline G-Unit

Re: Has xenophobia played a large part in the investigation?
« Reply #22 on: July 03, 2015, 08:48:07 AM »
If you call for police help you expect them to help, if they don't in your opinion do enough or anything to help then you've every right to criticise them, or are foreign police above criticism in your view?  When Portuguese people criticise the McCanns' parenting skills and ridicule them is that xenophobia?

The police didn't help? Who says? The T9? Did they call everyone they could think of to say the police were doing nothing or not? How long did they give them? One hour, two hours, or did they criticise them immediately? Were off duty police called in to search all night or not? Did they continue to search for seven days or not? Was all leave cancelled or not? I prefer to look at what happened and then make my mind up, whichever country the police come from.

Portuguese people were shocked by the T9 idea of good parenting and so were a lot of UK people too, and with good reason. Their spin doctors and apologists made out it was 'normal' in the UK, and I object to that, it's not.

Have Portuguese people ridiculed the McCanns?
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Alfred R Jones

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Re: Has xenophobia played a large part in the investigation?
« Reply #23 on: July 03, 2015, 08:57:38 AM »
The police didn't help? Who says? The T9? Did they call everyone they could think of to say the police were doing nothing or not? How long did they give them? One hour, two hours, or did they criticise them immediately? Were off duty police called in to search all night or not? Did they continue to search for seven days or not? Was all leave cancelled or not? I prefer to look at what happened and then make my mind up, whichever country the police come from.

Portuguese people were shocked by the T9 idea of good parenting and so were a lot of UK people too, and with good reason. Their spin doctors and apologists made out it was 'normal' in the UK, and I object to that, it's not.

Have Portuguese people ridiculed the McCanns?
In the McCanns' opinion the police weren't doing enough or the right things quickly enough to help find their daughter.  They are entitled to an opinion on this matter, surely at least as much as you are, seeing as how they were actually there and experienced events first hand, and at least as much as the Portuguese who have lambasted and criticised them as parents pretty much since day one.  If criticising the Portuguese police is xenophobic, then so too is criticising the British parents, I don't see how it could not be! 

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Re: Has xenophobia played a large part in the investigation?
« Reply #24 on: July 03, 2015, 09:45:48 AM »
In the McCanns' opinion the police weren't doing enough or the right things quickly enough to help find their daughter.  They are entitled to an opinion on this matter, surely at least as much as you are, seeing as how they were actually there and experienced events first hand, and at least as much as the Portuguese who have lambasted and criticised them as parents pretty much since day one.  If criticising the Portuguese police is xenophobic, then so too is criticising the British parents, I don't see how it could not be!

The McCanns are qualified doctors, not policemen. Their opinion of how police carry out their jobs is as useful as my opinion of how doctors carry out theirs. You shut up and let those doing the job get on with it. Their arrogance is unbelievable imo. Their daughter, if abducted, could have been missing since 9.15pm because they left their kids all alone. The police were called at 10.40 and arrived at 11pm. That's one hour and 45 minutes after the child was 'abducted'. How far could an abductor get in that time? Who's fault would that be? People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

The Portuguese weren't criticising them because they were British but because they were neglectful careless parents. The McCanns criticised the police because they were Portuguese, not because they were policemen. Have they ever asked the UK media to stop their xenophobic comments against the Portuguese police? No, because they agree with them and encouraged them.
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Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Has xenophobia played a large part in the investigation?
« Reply #25 on: July 03, 2015, 09:57:28 AM »
Maybe it was a combination of xenophobia and peelerphobia ?
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Alfred R Jones

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Re: Has xenophobia played a large part in the investigation?
« Reply #26 on: July 03, 2015, 10:04:35 AM »
The McCanns are qualified doctors, not policemen. Their opinion of how police carry out their jobs is as useful as my opinion of how doctors carry out theirs. You shut up and let those doing the job get on with it. Their arrogance is unbelievable imo. Their daughter, if abducted, could have been missing since 9.15pm because they left their kids all alone. The police were called at 10.40 and arrived at 11pm. That's one hour and 45 minutes after the child was 'abducted'. How far could an abductor get in that time? Who's fault would that be? People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

The Portuguese weren't criticising them because they were British but because they were neglectful careless parents. The McCanns criticised the police because they were Portuguese, not because they were policemen. Have they ever asked the UK media to stop their xenophobic comments against the Portuguese police? No, because they agree with them and encouraged them.
So, if you have a problem with the way the police in a foreign country conduct themselves you shouldn't voice your opinion (unless you are a policeman yourself) because to do so would be xenophobic is that what you're saying?

Offline Lace

Re: Has xenophobia played a large part in the investigation?
« Reply #27 on: July 03, 2015, 12:55:48 PM »
The McCanns are qualified doctors, not policemen. Their opinion of how police carry out their jobs is as useful as my opinion of how doctors carry out theirs. You shut up and let those doing the job get on with it. Their arrogance is unbelievable imo. Their daughter, if abducted, could have been missing since 9.15pm because they left their kids all alone. The police were called at 10.40 and arrived at 11pm. That's one hour and 45 minutes after the child was 'abducted'. How far could an abductor get in that time? Who's fault would that be? People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

The Portuguese weren't criticising them because they were British but because they were neglectful careless parents. The McCanns criticised the police because they were Portuguese, not because they were policemen. Have they ever asked the UK media to stop their xenophobic comments against the Portuguese police? No, because they agree with them and encouraged them.

Gerry McCann asked for the police to be called a lot earlier than that.

Whether or not the parents were neglectful or not shouldn't have been an issue,   a child was missing and that child deserved to have been given 100 %.   Not putting out her photo straight away,  not alerting the ferry and airports etc.   in my opinion is not giving 100%.   It was Amaral's fault not the police who were just following orders.

Offline Angelo222

Re: Has xenophobia played a large part in the investigation?
« Reply #28 on: July 19, 2015, 01:38:32 PM »
Many British people are xenophobic, perhaps fueled by our tabloid press;

UN Human Rights Chief urges U.K. to tackle tabloid hate speech, after migrants called “cockroaches”

GENEVA (24 April 2015) – After decades of sustained and unrestrained anti-foreigner abuse, misinformation and distortion, and in the wake of a recent article in the Sun newspaper calling migrants “cockroaches,” the UN Human Rights Chief on Friday urged the U.K. authorities, media and regulatory bodies to take steps to curb incitement to hatred by British tabloid newspapers, in line with the country’s obligations under national and international law.
- See more at: http://www.ohchr.org/RU/NewsEvents/Pages/DisplayNews.aspx?NewsID=15885&LangID=R#sthash.na7a2bLO.dpuf

Zeid noted that the Sun article was simply one of the more extreme examples of thousands of anti-foreigner articles that have appeared in UK tabloids over the past two decades. - See more at: http://www.ohchr.org/RU/NewsEvents/Pages/DisplayNews.aspx?NewsID=15885&LangID=R#sthash.na7a2bLO.dpuf

We are an island nation who have been involved in wars and conflicts all over the world over the last few centuries so xenophobia is not unexpected of us.
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stephen25000

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Re: Has xenophobia played a large part in the investigation?
« Reply #29 on: July 19, 2015, 01:47:38 PM »
Gerry McCann asked for the police to be called a lot earlier than that.

Whether or not the parents were neglectful or not shouldn't have been an issue,   a child was missing and that child deserved to have been given 100 %.   Not putting out her photo straight away,  not alerting the ferry and airports etc.   in my opinion is not giving 100%.   It was Amaral's fault not the police who were just following orders.

Proof please.