Does the Madeleine Fund have a moral obligation to transparency?

[Alice Purjorick]

Seems someone is obsessed with Amaral, he appears on every thread no matter what the subject. Are you suggesting that the McCanns are hiding the details of the Fund's expenditure because they don't want to be criticised? Perhaps they should instead spend the money in such a way that no criticism is possible?

Is he ever The Boogah Man?
He was only on the job for four months too.
The faithful seem to view him in much the same manner as the citizens of Kilkenny view Oliver Cromwell.
"We blame everyting on Oliver except the weather and we are working on that" unquote.

[Jean-Pierre]

Is he ever The Boogah Man?
He was only on the job for four months too.
The faithful seem to view him in much the same manner as the citizens of Kilkenny view Oliver Cromwell.
"We blame everyting on Oliver except the weather and we are working on that" unquote.

Four months.  That is true.

Didn't stop him stepping outside the job her was being paid for to write his "true crime" book about the case.  And lining his pockets.  Or at least trying to.

 

[Alfred R Jones]

I can only speak for myself J-P.
Once the cash has been lobbed out, if I lob it out, I will have no control how it is spent nor would I expect to have control as it then belongs to someone else.
As a small company "The Fund" is obliged to provide financial statements to CH which are little more than a signed balance sheet and a P & L. They have an audit which is not required by CH unless a member has asked for one, so the fund go that little further in that respect. That is fine by me too; I only submit what I have to.
My main query is why state there will be  "transparency" then not deliver?
I suppose it depends on one's definition of transparency.
So in a nut shell I don't care how the money is spent but don't try to pretend there is transparency when there are sums approaching £1MM as line items in the financial statements. Picky maybe but there you go.

Genuine question - as you profess not to care about anything much to do with this issue why expend so much time and energy questioning it?

[G-Unit]

Is he ever The Boogah Man?
He was only on the job for four months too.
The faithful seem to view him in much the same manner as the citizens of Kilkenny view Oliver Cromwell.
"We blame everyting on Oliver except the weather and we are working on that" unquote.

Obviously a dangerous man who must be silenced. I wonder why? Perhaps he has that jigsaw piece?

[Alice Purjorick]

Genuine question - as you profess not to care about anything much to do with this issue why expend so much time and energy questioning it?

You didn't answer my question so why should I answer yours? unquote 
Nevertheless work it out from this:
The accounts for "The Fund" available to the public, patently are not transparent (except for 2007/8). Anyone who understands company accounts realises that. I am however content with "The Fund" doing only what is required by law. They [The Fund] suggested they were going to do more but didn't which is the crux of the matter. Me, I would have approached it in a different manner but that's not important.
Similarly, earlier this year there was a broohaha on here about whether the accounts were filed late. Again I don't care whether they were late or early but the Companies House document list says they were filed late so I believe Companies House; why would one not?. You need to understand what "filed" means of course.
So my interest is not so much in the case but in why a group of otherwise intelligent people should try to pretend so many things are other than they really are, are happy to misrepresent, play with words, leave out relevant points, pass off etc just to make a point that suits their agenda in support of two people they do not know, then resort to name calling etc when questioned.
Sort of the reciprocal of your reasons for being here in a way; I guess
Then of course it is addictive.

[Mr Gray]

Is he ever The Boogah Man?
He was only on the job for four months too.
The faithful seem to view him in much the same manner as the citizens of Kilkenny view Oliver Cromwell.
"We blame everyting on Oliver except the weather and we are working on that" unquote.

Didn't realise Cromwell was a bent incompetent copper

[Jean-Pierre]

Obviously a dangerous man who must be silenced. I wonder why? Perhaps he has that jigsaw piece?

You are joking.  Some seem to see him as a hero to be admired, a man of integrity. 

Personally, I see him as a bent incompetent copper who saw a chance to make some money on the back of a missing little girl.  And as soon as he got his hands on some dosh he set about spending it like a nouveau riche chav - the jag, the earring (he's a fifty year old bloke for gods sake) the parties, cosmetic surgery for the missus.

I think the facts, and the authorities that actually matter, rather support my viewpoint. 



   

[stephen25000]

You are joking.  Some seem to see him as a hero to be admired, a man of integrity. 

Personally, I see him as a bent incompetent copper who saw a chance to make some money on the back of a missing little girl.  And as soon as he got his hands on some dosh he set about spending it like a nouveau riche chav - the jag, the earring (he's a fifty year old bloke for gods sake) the parties, cosmetic surgery for the missus.

I think the facts, and the authorities that actually matter, rather support my viewpoint. 



 

Now as to bent coppers, here's a turn up for the books, and just look how many are in the Met ?  (2012)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2081199/Criminal-record-1k-officers-convictions-police.html

I WONDER WHAT THE FIGURES ARE NOW ? &%+((£

[Benice]

Seems someone is obsessed with Amaral, he appears on every thread no matter what the subject. Are you suggesting that the McCanns are hiding the details of the Fund's expenditure because they don't want to be criticised? Perhaps they should instead spend the money in such a way that no criticism is possible?

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I presume you had your tongue firmly in your cheek when you typed that G-Unit.

In my experience - the rule of thumb amongst sceptics is:-

 'Everything the McCanns do is wrong -  and everything the McCanns say is wrong'  .  And that's how it's been for  as long as I've been following the case. 

Nothing but NOTHING goes uncriticised - and when even raising money for charity is used as something to criticise them for - then what chance do they stand of doing/saying anything that won't get criticised.

'No chance' is the answer.

[stephen25000]

The question mccann supporters don't like to answer is simple.

Would the mccanns have 'participated' in any of these charities but for what happened in Portugal ?

Did they do so before 2007 ?

Have they taken part in these events, merely because it's 'good' PR ?

[Benice]

The question mccann supporters don't like to answer is simple.

Would the mccanns have 'participated' in any of these charities but for what happened in Portugal ?

Did they do so before 2007 ?

Have they taken part in these events, merely because it's 'good' PR ?

I rest my case.

[stephen25000]

I rest my case.

You have no case.

Did the mccanns take part in fund raising for charities prior to 2007 ?

[ferryman]

The question mccann supporters don't like to answer is simple.

Would the mccanns have 'participated' in any of these charities but for what happened in Portugal ?

Did they do so before 2007 ?

Have they taken part in these events, merely because it's 'good' PR ?

I undertook a sponsored walk around the coastal path of the Isle of Wight to raise money for a hospice local to where I live.

Why did I do that?

Because just before his death, the hospice cared for my father, superbly well, and I wanted to say 'thank you'.

It is extremely common that personal involvement in something worthwhile (no matter what) is the incentive and spur for people to get off their backsides and support it.

[Mr Gray]

Now as to bent coppers, here's a turn up for the books, and just look how many are in the Met ?  (2012)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2081199/Criminal-record-1k-officers-convictions-police.html

I WONDER WHAT THE FIGURES ARE NOW ? &%+((£

Yet you are convinced Drs McCann would have never worked again had they been accused of neglect

[stephen25000]

Yet you are convinced Drs McCann would have never worked again had they been accused of neglect

They did neglect their children.

They did not take of their children.

and we know what happened.

So dave, do you support police officers with current convictions should still be working in the force ?