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Offline Angelo222

Re: Dodgy Detectives.
« Reply #15 on: October 31, 2015, 11:33:01 AM »
It has been mentioned many times that while employing the best lawyers the McCanns have again and again managed to hire detectives who were either incompetent, dishonest or both.

First we had Metido3 who, amongst other faux pas, claimed they would have Madeleine home by Christmas. It would now also appear that not only were they obtaining money fraudulently from the fund but they lied about how many detectives they had investigating the disappearance and failed to take or follow up information obtained through their hotline.

The McCanns, latterly, were informed of the fraudulently obtained money yet choose to do nothing about it, citing SY's investigation as the reason. Of course this absolutely flies in the face of a claim by their spokesman last week that the McCanns ' would do everything to help the authorities' in the wake of the fraud revelations.

Then, of course, we had Oakley International and their charismatic director Halligen who not only failed to follow up information left on their hotline but was paid, it is reported, over half a million pounds for doing so. The McCanns, yet again, took no action. This time the reason is a mystery.

Finely of course we had Edgar and Cowley who, we were told in the court in Lisbon, had access to only the parts of the official files the McCanns wanted them to have access to and were themselves the subject of a Daily Mail exclusive in which it was revealed that prior to the infamous 'Victoria Beckham' press conference in which a businessman was allegedly asked while at a Barcelona marina if he had brought a woman's new daughter, the pair had made no relevant investigations at the site of the alleged incident.

Are the McCanns simply unlucky ?  Did they fail to follow up the fraudulent activity of both Halligen and Metodo3 because they feared the bad publicity or are their actions a sign of something more sinister and why, when it is undeniable that metodo3, Halligen and Edgar/Cowley severely hampered the search for Madeleine, they have chosen to pursue only Amaral for, it seems, unproven damage ?

You could also say they were unlucky with detective Amaral too?
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Dodgy Detectives.
« Reply #16 on: October 31, 2015, 11:34:15 AM »
Eureka!!  8((()*/  @)(++(*

lawyers are very strictly controlled by their professional governing body....private detectives are totally the opposite and often operate outside the law...I thought most people understood this

stephen25000

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Re: Dodgy Detectives.
« Reply #17 on: October 31, 2015, 11:35:52 AM »
you cannot find an agency that specialises in stranger abductions...fact...anyone with any sense would realise that but you actually carry out a google search...despite repeatedly criticising those who use google....


Why would P.I.'s specialize in just one area ?

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Dodgy Detectives.
« Reply #18 on: October 31, 2015, 11:36:16 AM »
You could also say they were unlucky with detective Amaral too?

they were certainly very unlucky with amaral...As an arguido any decent police force would have suspended him

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Dodgy Detectives.
« Reply #19 on: October 31, 2015, 11:37:38 AM »

Why would P.I.'s specialize in just one area ?

then why did you carry out a google search looking for just that....many professionals specialise in certain areas

Offline Eleanor

Re: Dodgy Detectives.
« Reply #20 on: October 31, 2015, 11:39:21 AM »
Investigating in an ongoing case would be illegal, if  reports are true.

So The McCanns employed a Spanish Agency which was the next best thing.  Who incidentally said that they HOPED to have Madeleine home by Christmas.

Offline Eleanor

Re: Dodgy Detectives.
« Reply #21 on: October 31, 2015, 11:40:34 AM »
You could also say they were unlucky with detective Amaral too?

You could say that.  And so could I.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Dodgy Detectives.
« Reply #22 on: October 31, 2015, 11:41:20 AM »
Even today, and quite surprisingly, ‘amateur’ remains the hallmark of the private investigations industry. There are an estimated 10,000 private investigators working in the UK offering services as varied as serving documents, investigating insurance fraud, tracing missing persons, countering intellectual property theft, computer forensics and gathering proof of adultery. Not one of these 10,000 investigators is regulated by the government. Perhaps 20% (or 2,000) have voluntarily submitted to regulation by a peer-reviewed body, but the rest have not.

There is nothing to stop the remaining 8,000 people from screwing a brass plate to the wall or, more probably, creating a website to tell the world that they are private investigators. They can charge what they like while getting access to your confidential information. They could rob you and there is no industry body to which you could complain or which would impose sanctions on offenders.

http://www.lawgazette.co.uk/practice/how-to-hire-a-private-investigator/5040588.fullarticle


stephen25000

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Re: Dodgy Detectives.
« Reply #23 on: October 31, 2015, 11:49:26 AM »
So The McCanns employed a Spanish Agency which was the next best thing.  Who incidentally said that they HOPED to have Madeleine home by Christmas.


and did they have any experience in that field ?

Or were they better at organizing a trip to the local distillery ?

Offline faithlilly

Re: Dodgy Detectives.
« Reply #24 on: October 31, 2015, 11:50:56 AM »
Thank you to wicksy from the maddiecasefiles for the translation.


'The relevant chapter in La Cortina de Humo (The Smokescreen) summarised: two ex-detectives from Método 3 claim that the agency defrauded the Find Madeleine Fund and Brian Kennedy, and when alerted to this neither entity showed the slightest interest.

First, a bit of background information. The authors are Julián Peribañez and Antonio Tamarit. Both worked for Método 3 on the Madeleine case, Antonio mostly in Morocco, and Julián in Portugal. As Julián speaks English he was used as an interpreter in meetings with the McCanns, and so privy to inside information.

The authors claim that right from the start Francisco Marco, the head of Método 3, saw the investigation as an opportunity to make a lot of money out of Madeleine. He consistently lied about the number of detectives working on the case, claiming there were 20 when at most there were 4. Consequently the claims for expenses, travel costs etc were fraudulently based on 20 detectives. FM also saw the case as an excellent way of getting free publicity for the agency, and courted the Spanish and international media to that end. The hotline was also fraudulent, as calls were diverted to the Método 3 office and answered by detectives with poor language skills, rather than being handled by employees who spoke a wide range of languages, as claimed.

The first contact was when Julián phoned the Kennedys in the first week of December 2013 and spoke to Brian's son Patrick to try to organise a meeting (a long and friendly conversation). Because of financial problems (presumably Julián's) and Christmas commitments they decided to postpone the meeting until January.

He then sent an email to Brian Kennedy on 8th January 2014 in which he explained why he wanted to meet him, to show proof that they had been defrauded and work out a strategy as to what to do next. He got a confirmation that the email was received but no reply. After sending the email twice more, he got an out of office message saying that BK was in America and enquiries should be addressed to Ed Smethurst.

It then took Julián four emails to get Ed Smethurst's email, and when he wrote got an answer that it would be difficult for them to get involved in a lawsuit against Método 3 because they had to concentrate on looking for Madeleine, or at least finding out who abducted her.

Finding this response hard to believe, he wrote back to Smethurst in his capacity as a director of the Find Madeleine fund. In the book he reproduces the email he got in reply in full:

Dear Julián,

I have just had a phone conference with our advisors. As you know the Metropolitan Police are now in charge of the investigation. Because of this, the Trust has agreed that we will not meet or discuss the investigation with any private detectives whilst the Met's investigation continues. This is why we can't meet with you.

However, if you have any information that could help the Trust or the investigation, please feel free to send it by email and it will be gratefully received.

Julián was alarmed at getting such a cold, distant answer and, disappointed, wrote another email to the fund, again reproduced in full in the book. The gist of it is:

So although we've said we want to help you uncover a fraud that you were subjected to, you don't want to meet with us or help us unmask the agency that stole money that was intended to find Madeleine McCann, money that was given by the warm-hearted general public and ended up in the pockets of M3. Please, I need to know if this is correct, because it's hard to understand your position, so I need to know for sure if I can count on your cooperation.

He didn't get any answer.'
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Montclair

Re: Dodgy Detectives.
« Reply #25 on: October 31, 2015, 11:56:28 AM »
If my child were missing and I wanted to hire PIs, I would do it without announcing it and telling the whole world who the detectives were. It seems to me that detective work would be most effective done in secrecy.

Offline faithlilly

Re: Dodgy Detectives.
« Reply #26 on: October 31, 2015, 12:06:56 PM »
If my child were missing and I wanted to hire PIs, I would do it without announcing it and telling the whole world who the detectives were. It seems to me that detective work would be most effective done in secrecy.

Absolutely Montclair.

I also wonder how SY would have viewed the information they were given by Metodo3 if they had known the facts the former employees are now making public ?
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

stephen25000

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Re: Dodgy Detectives.
« Reply #27 on: October 31, 2015, 12:08:20 PM »
But they certainly knew how to find the best lawyers, though, didn't they?

No trouble at all. 8)--))

Offline Eleanor

Re: Dodgy Detectives.
« Reply #28 on: October 31, 2015, 12:13:59 PM »

and did they have any experience in that field ?

Or were they better at organizing a trip to the local distillery ?

They were close by, Stephen, and I expect that they had as much experience as anyone else.

But thanks for the information on Distilleries.  I might take them up on that.  Spanish Brandy is very good and very cheap, and I need a couple of bottles for my Christmas Cake.

Offline faithlilly

Re: Dodgy Detectives.
« Reply #29 on: October 31, 2015, 12:17:28 PM »
They were close by, Stephen, and I expect that they had as much experience as anyone else.

But thanks for the information on Distilleries.  I might take them up on that.  Spanish Brandy is very good and very cheap, and I need a couple of bottles for my Christmas Cake.

Topic please Eleanor !
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?