Toddler died hours after slipping on marble floor in her family's apartment

[Lace]

Why should people be careful? I have seen police officer statements misquoted and complete fabrications quoted as facts. That'll be the day when everyone sticks to the facts.

Here are the facts;Mrs Fenn said it was not a younger child and it was a girl. she seemed to think it was the same child all through, so it was unlikely to be all three taking turns;

and that due the tone of the crying seemed to be a young child and not a baby of two years of age or younger. Apart from the crying that continued for approximately one hour and fifteen minutes, and which got louder and more expressive, the child shouted ?Daddy, Daddy?,............she never told the McCann's that she had heard their daughter crying previously on 1st May because she thought it would just increase their suffering.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PAMELA_FENN.htm

It was a younger child and it was a girl?   Where did she say it was a girl and when does a two year old child give their gender away when they cry?

I'm sorry I really can't imagine Madeleine crying for that length of time,  she would have gone into her parents room.

I think Mrs. Fenn was confused about the time or she heard another child in another apartment crying.

[G-Unit]

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What sedatives do you think they would give a three year old and two two year olds?  Nothing was found in 5a.

I know nothing about sedatives but they would know, obviously. If I sedated my children I wouldn't leave the sedative lying around for anyone to find, would you?

[Lace]

I know nothing about sedatives but they would know, obviously. If I sedated my children I wouldn't leave the sedative lying around for anyone to find, would you?

I can't imagine the McCann's both Drs. giving adult sedatives to the children.  There is nothing to say that they took sedatives either.   Kate McCann had her hair tested too and it came back that she hadn't taken any drugs.

[pathfinder73]

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What sedatives do you think they would give a three year old and two two year olds?  Nothing was found in 5a.

Do you think if it happened they would leave them in 5A?  Kate mentioned a mysterious stain months later. They were interviewed on the 4 May so why didn't they reveal it straight away instead of September 2007.

[ferryman]

Speculation, hearsay and Chinese whispers are ground out day after day, hour after after hour, on these boards that traduce the reputations of Kate and Gerry McCann or their friends.

But whisper even a word about a certain dog-handler, and the poster (more often than not) sanctioned. 

On the whole, a free hand to debate issues (from all angles) is one of the more attractive features of this forum, but the sensitivity to certain subjects is puzzling ...

[G-Unit]

I can't imagine the McCann's both Drs. giving adult sedatives to the children.  There is nothing to say that they took sedatives either.   Kate McCann had her hair tested too and it came back that she hadn't taken any drugs.

No need for adult sedatives;

Antihistamines can knock out even the loudest child on a plane. Is it safe -- or just bad parenting?
http://www.salon.com/2012/03/21/the_benadryl_solution/

One in 5 families admits to using sedative drugs, including Phenergan, on their children for a quieter life on road trips

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[Mr Gray]

No need for adult sedatives;

Antihistamines can knock out even the loudest child on a plane. Is it safe -- or just bad parenting?
http://www.salon.com/2012/03/21/the_benadryl_solution/

One in 5 families admits to using sedative drugs, including Phenergan, on their children for a quieter life on road trips

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/one-in-5-families-admits-to-using-sedative-drugs-including-phenergan-on-their-children-for-a-quieter-life-on-road-trips-20150403-1me7av.html#ixzz3wPV7mycx
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are you suggesting that the McCanns would worry that a antihistamine would be found in Maddie's blood..

[pegasus]

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fell down small gap between sofa back and wall

[misty]

fell down small gap between sofa back and wall

http://metro.co.uk/2015/12/18/toddler-dies-after-getting-stuck-behind-sofa-5573288/

A toddler died from a heart attack after he became stuck behind a sofa while playing with his brother.

Jacob Moore was climbing on top of the sofa with his three-year-old brother Isaac when he slipped and fell down the back.

The 16-month-old struggled to breathe and had a heart attack. His mother, Victoria Moore, rushed the toddler to hospital where he remained in critical condition for 10 days, after which the family agreed to let doctors turn off his life support machine.

‘Victoria went into the kitchen to finish of what she needed to do, the door was open and our son who is three tries to get her attention,’ said Jacob’s father, 42-year-old Simon.
She went to see what he wanted and could see that Jacob was trapped between the wall and the back of the sofa and his chin was trapped.

‘He looked very grey and very ill. She tried helping and a builder heard her screaming. The emergency services were called and he was taken to hospital. Doctors told us very quickly that his chances of survival was very poor.’

Tests at Manchester Children’s hospital showed Jacob’s brain was starved of oxygen due to the fall. Coroners Officer Rita Wilkinson said the house was immaculately tidy and the home was ‘child-friendly’.

At the inquest today, the coroner commended Mr Moore for his bravery and thanked him for giving evidence.

He recorded a verdict of accidental death.


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[Mr Gray]

http://metro.co.uk/2015/12/18/toddler-dies-after-getting-stuck-behind-sofa-5573288/

A toddler died from a heart attack after he became stuck behind a sofa while playing with his brother.

Jacob Moore was climbing on top of the sofa with his three-year-old brother Isaac when he slipped and fell down the back.

The 16-month-old struggled to breathe and had a heart attack. His mother, Victoria Moore, rushed the toddler to hospital where he remained in critical condition for 10 days, after which the family agreed to let doctors turn off his life support machine.

‘Victoria went into the kitchen to finish of what she needed to do, the door was open and our son who is three tries to get her attention,’ said Jacob’s father, 42-year-old Simon.
She went to see what he wanted and could see that Jacob was trapped between the wall and the back of the sofa and his chin was trapped.

‘He looked very grey and very ill. She tried helping and a builder heard her screaming. The emergency services were called and he was taken to hospital. Doctors told us very quickly that his chances of survival was very poor.’

Tests at Manchester Children’s hospital showed Jacob’s brain was starved of oxygen due to the fall. Coroners Officer Rita Wilkinson said the house was immaculately tidy and the home was ‘child-friendly’.

At the inquest today, the coroner commended Mr Moore for his bravery and thanked him for giving evidence.

He recorded a verdict of accidental death.


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died in hospital after 10 days...so still no death in 90 mins

[stephen25000]

died in hospital after 10 days...so still no death in 90 mins

It has been explained to you already.

An accident could have happened before that evening.

Delayed effect.

[Mr Gray]

It has been explained to you already.

An accident could have happened before that evening.

Delayed effect.

you cannot explain anything to me about accidents. For eight years it has been claimed Maddie had an accident whilst the McCanns were at the tapas.....hundreds of posts....now it looks like posters have finally realised what I ahve been saying is correct....so you now come up with a new theory. So what has been claimed for the last eight years is rubbbish...as is what you are claiming now

[stephen25000]

you cannot explain anything to me about accidents. For eight years it has been claimed Maddie had an accident whilst the McCanns were at the tapas.....hundreds of posts....now it looks like posters have finally realised what I ahve been saying is correct....so you now come up with a new theory. So what has been claimed for the last eight years is rubbbish...as is what you are claiming now

It remains one possibility.

You cannot rule it out.

Others believe she walked out of the apartment and disappeared.

Posters do not accept what you have been saying is correct.

The abduction theory is at ground zero.

Absolutely no evidence for that which can't be explained by other scenarios.

Your constant repeats, that only davel knows better, are ridiculous,and tiresome.

[slartibartfast]

you cannot explain anything to me about accidents. For eight years it has been claimed Maddie had an accident whilst the McCanns were at the tapas.....hundreds of posts....now it looks like posters have finally realised what I ahve been saying is correct....so you now come up with a new theory. So what has been claimed for the last eight years is rubbbish...as is what you are claiming now

I found out that even if you know someone who died in an accident, the chance of finding any information on the Internet about the death, beyond obituaries, is very slim.

[stephen25000]

I found out that even if you know someone who died in an accident, the chance of finding any information on the Internet about the death, beyond obituaries, is very slim.

Indeed Slarti.

it seems in davel's world, if you can't come up with an example, it never happens.

When you do come up with examples as people have, in davel's world it doesn't apply.

I wonder why.