Toddler died hours after slipping on marble floor in her family's apartment

[Angelo222]

You have made two claims and been unable to substantiate either...perhaps you should have a little more respect for those who do actually know what they are talking about

I have stated the position in crystal clear terms but all you want to do as per usual form is nitpick and obfuscate.

To repeat, an English pathologist has no option but to carry out an autopsy on the body of any British National who dies overseas in unnatural circumstances. To refuse to do so would be highly irregular.

If Madeleine McCann's remains were found in Portugal an autopsy would be undertaken both in Portugal and the UK.  In such circumstances a second autopsy would be both routine and essential!

[Mr Gray]

I have stated the position in crystal clear terms but all you went to do as per usual form is nitpick and obfuscate.

To repeat, an English pathologist has no option but to carry out an autopsy on the body of any British National who dies overseas in unnatural circumstances. To refuse to do so would be highly irregular.

that is correct....but only if  PM has not been carried out abroad...there is no mention of a routine second PM as you have claimed...keep digging

[jassi]

that is correct....but only if  PM has not been carried out abroad...there is no mention of a routine second PM as you have claimed...keep digging

Have you any idea why a second PM should have been ordered?

[Angelo222]

that is correct....but only if  PM has not been carried out abroad...there is no mention of a routine second PM as you have claimed...keep digging

In the circumstances reported in the case of the little girl a second post mortem was normal and routine practise.

[Angelo222]

Have you any idea why a second PM should have been ordered?

Because it was an 'unnatural' death overseas and English law required it.  (unless of course davel knows better)

[Mr Gray]

Because it was an 'unnatural' death overseas and English law required it.  (unless of course davel knows better)

I do know better and have give a link
A SECOND PM is  NOT routine

[Eleanor]

I think the point here is that this couldn't have happened to Madeleine because there wasn't sufficient time for her to hit her head and then die after The McCanns left the apartment to go to dinner.

But if Madeleine had hit her head before they went to dinner then it would hardly have been their fault.  This child was checked at 9pm when she was sleeping and again at 10pm, just as Madeleine was, except that Madeleine was missing and this child was dead.

No blood on Madeleine's pillow, but also no reason for not calling an ambulance if she was in dire straights.  Or to dispose of her body, if this had even been possible.

[Angelo222]

I do know better and have give a link
A SECOND PM is  NOT routine

It is in those circumstances.  I suppose you also believe that if Madeleine is found dead that a post mortem won't be carried out in both jurisdictions?

[Angelo222]

I think the point here is that this couldn't have happened to Madeleine because there wasn't sufficient time for her to hit her head and then die after The McCanns left the apartment to go to dinner.

But if Madeleine had hit her head before they went to dinner then it would hardly have been their fault.  This child was checked at 9pm when she was sleeping and again at 10pm, just as Madeleine was, except that Madeleine was missing and this child was dead.

No blood on Madeleine's pillow, but also no reason for not calling an ambulance if she was in dire straights.  Or to dispose of her body, if this had even been possible.

Why ever not Ellie?   She could have fallen over the settee and hit her head on the tiled floor and succumbed instantly or at any time thereafter.

[Alfred R Jones]

Why ever not Ellie?   She could have fallen over the settee and hit her head on the tiled floor and succumbed instantly or at any time thereafter.

It's the "succumbed instantly" bit that doesn't work does it?  Or the any time thereafter if you want to make the dog alerts work.

[Eleanor]

Why ever not Ellie?   She could have fallen over the settee and hit her head on the tiled floor and succumbed instantly or at any time thereafter.

Instantly is hardly likely.  She was in bed asleep at 9pm, unless you think Gerry put her back to bed and left her unconscious for Kate to find.  Kate who then hid her body God knows where.

[G-Unit]

I think the point here is that this couldn't have happened to Madeleine because there wasn't sufficient time for her to hit her head and then die after The McCanns left the apartment to go to dinner.

But if Madeleine had hit her head before they went to dinner then it would hardly have been their fault.  This child was checked at 9pm when she was sleeping and again at 10pm, just as Madeleine was, except that Madeleine was missing and this child was dead.

No blood on Madeleine's pillow, but also no reason for not calling an ambulance if she was in dire straights.  Or to dispose of her body, if this had even been possible.

She had all day to fall and hit her head. We don't know if there was any reason not to call an ambulance.

[Mr Gray]

Why ever not Ellie?   She could have fallen over the settee and hit her head on the tiled floor and succumbed instantly or at any time thereafter.

There is no instantly in these cases
It takes several hours for the pressure to build up to cause death

[ferryman]

Instantly is hardly likely.  She was in bed asleep at 9pm, unless you think Gerry put her back to bed and left her unconscious for Kate to find.  Kate who then hid her body God knows where.

Then there's the bit about joining it all together to conspire a cover-up.

How did they do that?

[Alfred R Jones]

She had all day to fall and hit her head. We don't know if there was any reason not to call an ambulance.

And this would have necessitated a cover up why exactly?