Toddler died hours after slipping on marble floor in her family's apartment

[Mr Gray]

It's very simple actually. I remember back some years ago when we lived in Spain.  A toddler climbed onto a deckchair and somersalted over the back of it striking his forehead on a tiled patio floor.  A huge golfball sized bump ensued.  It could have been so much worse so easily.  A fractured skull can go unnoticed very easily given the right circumstances and it is a bit disingenuous of you not to admit it if I may say so.

so quite a severe accident...somersaulted through the air...what was the actual injury to the child...sounds like a severe bruise...that's all.....a fractured skull hardly goes unnoticed.....a swelling as large as a golf ball...I've seen this with no fracture present. I do not admit it because a fractured skull doesn't go unnoticed...far from it

[Mr Gray]

Indeed we have been over this, and a prior accident, when the parents weren't there, their attention diverted, is quite feasible.

give us an example then of how this might happen

[Alice Purjorick]

you are well aware that we have been through this before and no one could come up with an example of a child dying in circumstances that would fit this scenario....your effort was death on an exercise machine...there were no such exercise machines in the apt...the whole idea of an accidental death inside the apartment in the timescale is absolutely preposterous...

I know but I have never made the claim I have made "millions" of posts as you have. I was just asking you to back up the assertion or admit your claim of millions was wrong and merely an "over exaggerated turn of phrase".

[Mr Gray]

I know but I have never made the claim I have made "millions" of posts as you have. I was just asking you to back up the assertion or admit your claim of millions was wrong and merely an "over exaggerated turn of phrase".

no...it's called a figure of speech...shall we highlight everyone now

[stephen25000]

give us an example then of how this might happen

Remember

Subdural haematoma, as a result of a fall.

Delayed effect.

Quite possible.

[Mr Gray]

I know but I have never made the claim I have made "millions" of posts as you have. I was just asking you to back up the assertion or admit your claim of millions was wrong and merely an "over exaggerated turn of phrase".

I am normally never lost for words....but you wanting me to support my claim that I have made millions of posts or admit I was wrong...must be one of the silliest post I have seen on here

[Alice Purjorick]

no...it's called a figure of speech...shall we highlight everyone now

So you admit you trade in figures of speech rather than accuracy that you berate other posters about?

[Mr Gray]

So you admit you trade in figures of speech rather than accuracy that you berate other posters about?

you are starting to sound quite pathetic

[Mr Gray]

It's very simple actually. I remember back some years ago when we lived in Spain.  A toddler climbed onto a deckchair and somersalted over the back of it striking his forehead on a tiled patio floor.  A huge golfball sized bump ensued.  It could have been so much worse so easily.  A fractured skull can go unnoticed very easily given the right circumstances and it is a bit disingenuous of you not to admit it if I may say so.

if this is such realistic scenario it would be really easy to find a death that occurred in this timescale....truth is...no one has ever been able to..

[Eleanor]

Okay.  Stop the insults now.

[stephen25000]

if this is such realistic scenario it would be really easy to find a death that occurred in this timescale....truth is...no one has ever been able to..

it is quite feasible an accident happened earlier.

As we know the children were left for extended periods of time for several nights.

Accidents do happen, denying it is ridiculous.

Subdural hematomas do occur.

[Mr Gray]

Remember

Subdural haematoma, as a result of a fall.

Delayed effect.

Quite possible.

it would ahve to be quite a severe fall which would not go unnoticed...lots of tears etc...symptoms would become obvious.

[Mr Gray]

it is quite feasible an accident happened earlier.

As we know the children were left for extended periods of time for several nights.

Accidents do happen, denying it is ridiculous.

Subdural hematomas do occur.

so you are now suggesting a fall the previous evening...more and more ridiculous

[carlymichelle]

it would ahve to be quite a severe fall which would not go unnoticed...lots of tears etc...symptoms would become obvious.

maddie  was heard  crying for  75 minutes by mrs fenn

[Mr Gray]

maddie  was heard  crying for  75 minutes by mrs fenn

two days before and you think no one noticed any symptoms.