Toddler died hours after slipping on marble floor in her family's apartment

[misty]

But how long would it have been if there had been no rescuer present Davel?
One minute? One and a half?

The sad case of 16 month old Jacob Moore is not a scenario I could envisage involving Madeleine.
Jacob's gross motor skills were not developed enough for him to ascend the upright sofa back with any degree of safety and he would not have had the ability to descend using backward steps.
Madeleine, on the other hand, at 3-4 years would have been able to climb onto the sofa safely and open the curtains if the sofa was situated very close to the wall, with no gap to fall down through. If the sofa was several inches from the wall, logic dictates that she would squeeze herself behind it whilst standing upright on the floor.

[Mr Gray]

The sad case of 16 month old Jacob Moore is not a scenario I could envisage involving Madeleine.
Jacob's gross motor skills were not developed enough for him to ascend the upright sofa back with any degree of safety and he would not have had the ability to descend using backward steps.
Madeleine, on the other hand, at 3-4 years would have been able to climb onto the sofa safely and open the curtains if the sofa was situated very close to the wall, with no gap to fall down through. If the sofa was several inches from the wall, logic dictates that she would squeeze herself behind it whilst standing upright on the floor.

I cannot envisage any scenario whereby maddie could have had an accident and died in the apartment within the timeframe.......and it seems neither can anyone else

[ferryman]

Back on-topic: there is literally nothing (from the opening post) remotely comparable with circumstances of Madeleine's disappearance.

On a board dedicated to discussing circumstances of Madeleine's abduction I'm unclear why the opening post was allowed?

[Brietta]

I concede it is very difficult to stay on topic on this thread because just about everything which could be said about the Godding family's tragedy was addressed in the first post.

[G-Unit]

Back on-topic: there is literally nothing (from the opening post) remotely comparable with circumstances of Madeleine's disappearance.

On a board dedicated to discussing circumstances of Madeleine's abduction I'm unclear why the opening post was allowed?

The opening post relates to people's refusal to believe that death can occur in a very short time. Therefore it is relevant to demonstrate the possibility of other scenarios in addition to a possible abduction.

[John]

There is a new thread for dogs related posts.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6949.msg298696#msg298696

[Mr Gray]

The opening post relates to people's refusal to believe that death can occur in a very short time. Therefore it is relevant to demonstrate the possibility of other scenarios in addition to a possible abduction.

But no one has come up with a realistic scenario...if you remember you suggested a ruptured aorta...the sort of injury arising in a car accident

[slartibartfast]

But no one has come up with a realistic scenario...if you remember you suggested a ruptured aorta...the sort of injury arising in a car accident

Swallowing something and choking to death.

[Mr Gray]

Swallowing something and choking to death.

This has to my knowledge only happened at meal times...also choking is a most unpleasant and traumatic death...maddie would have woken the twins

[slartibartfast]

This has to my knowledge only happened at meal times...also choking is a most unpleasant and traumatic death...maddie would have woken the twins

That doesn't really cut it, I didn't mention food, maybe she could have woken the twins, who would have heard them. They would probably quieten down later.

[stephen25000]

This has to my knowledge only happened at meal times...also choking is a most unpleasant and traumatic death...maddie would have woken the twins

...but we have been told repeatedly, the twins were sleeping heavily.

[jassi]

This has to my knowledge only happened at meal times...also choking is a most unpleasant and traumatic death...maddie would have woken the twins

They were sleeping soundly  and couldn't have done anything even if they had woken.

[Alfred R Jones]

Swallowing something and choking to death.

And why would this have necessitated a cover up?

[slartibartfast]

And why would this have necessitated a cover up?

That wasn't the question.

[Mr Gray]

They were sleeping soundly  and couldn't have done anything even if they had woken.

they would have been traumatised...there would be a lot of noise...someone would have heard