Toddler died hours after slipping on marble floor in her family's apartment

[slartibartfast]

So you accept Madeleine may have been abducted by a stranger then?

Of course.

[Alfred R Jones]

Of course.

great.  What I find harder to accept is your contention that after all this time you have no opinions on what occurred on the night of 3rd May 2007.  In short I simply don't buy that at all.

[jassi]

Why were the twins sleeping soundly, whilst Madeleine was wandering round banging her head and swallowing dangerous objects, that's what I'd like to know.

We don't know why they were sleeping soundly, but by all reports they were, even when all and sundry were in and out of the apartment. They didn't wake at all, it appears.

[slartibartfast]

Everyone has beliefs and opinions based on there understanding of the evidence..... i don't believe anything blindly and could change my beliefs if any new evidence came to light.. ..........i find you quite one sided..you only contradict and question posts made by supporters... I understand there have been several complaints re your biased moderating ...so to claim you are open minded is more than a little strange

Strangely enough I find you a bit one sided. If John isn't happy with my moderating I am sure he will say something.

[Mr Gray]

Strangely enough I find you a bit one sided. If John isn't happy with my moderating I am sure he will say something.

I believe ...based on the evidence that maddie was removed from the apartment by a stranger and that her parents and friends are in no way criminally involved in her disappearance...if new evidence comes to light to contradict that then I am happy to reconsider

[slartibartfast]

...and the refuting of the choking scenario has somehow been overlooked.

[carlymichelle]

...and the refuting of the choking scenario has somehow been overlooked.

isnt   choking to death usally silent??    i read the other day how a  little girl choked to death  on an grape   its like when a   child drowns that is usally silent  too

[stephen25000]

I believe ...based on the evidence that maddie was removed from the apartment by a stranger and that her parents and friends are in no way criminally involved in her disappearance...if new evidence comes to light to contradict that then I am happy to reconsider

She was removed from the apartment,  that is what is know.

By who or whom, is unknown, and is likely to remain so.

[Mr Gray]

isnt   choking to death usally silent??    i read the other day how a  little girl choked to death  on an grape   its like when a   child drowns that is usally silent  too

no

[stephen25000]

no

Cite.

[Mr Gray]

Incidence
Choking is a risk whenever food is consumed. A US study suggests an incidence of death due to FBAO of 0.66 per 100,000 population.[4] An Australian study looking at incidence of foreign body asphyxia admission rate in the under-15s shows a rate of 15.1 per 100,000 per annum, peaking in those aged under one and then gradually declining to low levels by 3 years old.


as I already stated before using google

[Alfred R Jones]

We don't know why they were sleeping soundly, but by all reports they were, even when all and sundry were in and out of the apartment. They didn't wake at all, it appears.

And yet we are to believe that Madeleine was wide awake that evening getting into difficulties, despite the fact that she was left fast asleep and that both her siblings were sleeping soundly.

[pathfinder73]

And yet we are to believe that Madeleine was wide awake that evening getting into difficulties, despite the fact that she was left fast asleep and that both her siblings were sleeping soundly.

Very unlikely when Pamela Fenn heard nothing and she would be aware. Madeleine was very loud but not on 3 May. She was worn out apparently but DP failed to mention it. We know the twins were in a deep sleep. We know the lookalike child the Smiths saw was also in a deep sleep.

[slartibartfast]

Cite.

I don't think we are going to get one.

[Mr Gray]

I don't think we are going to get one.

Yesterday stephen claimed that witnesses in the cipriano case had said she had maltreated Joanna...when I asked stephen for a cite he said"look it up yourself"...in fact I cannot remember that last time stephen provided a cite....so no...you will not be getting one