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ferryman

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Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #1875 on: January 25, 2016, 04:27:20 PM »
She sustained her injuries while in police custody. She could very well have been attacked by other female inmates but there is no way of knowing.

Why do you deny the ruling of the court?

Offline Carana

Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #1876 on: January 25, 2016, 04:31:15 PM »
There IS an approximate equivalent of a retrial in PT - although it's a bit different and did actually take place as an exceptional review by the Supreme Court.

It's here:
http://www.dgsi.pt/jstj.nsf/954f0ce6ad9dd8b980256b5f003fa814/67e9f860c06af1d9802576a9004e4a2c?OpenDocument

The concept appears to be primarly based on this:


CAPÍTULO II
Da revisão

Artigo 449.º
(Fundamentos e admissibilidade da revisão)
1 - A revisão de sentença transitada em julgado é admissível quando:
a) Uma outra sentença transitada em julgado tiver considerado falsos meios de prova que tenham sido determinantes para a decisão;
b) Uma outra sentença transitada em julgado tiver dado como provado crime cometido por juiz ou jurado e relacionado com o exercício da sua função no processo;
c) Os factos que servirem de fundamento   condenação forem inconciliáveis com os dados como provados noutra sentença e da oposição resultarem graves dúvidas sobre a justiça da condenação;
d) Se descobrirem novos factos ou meios de prova que, de per si ou combinados com os que foram apreciados no processo, suscitem graves dúvidas sobre a justiça da condenação.
2 - Para o efeito do disposto no número anterior,   sentença é equiparado despacho que tiver posto fim ao processo.
3 - Com fundamento na alínea d) do n.º 1, não é admissível revisão com o único fim de corrigir a medida concreta da sanção aplicada.
4 - A revisão é admissível ainda que o procedimento se encontre extinto ou a pena prescrita ou cumprida.

http://paulosantos-adv.planetaclix.pt/CPP.htm

It requires new evidence that seriously questions the soundness of the original verdict with justification as to why relevant defence evidence hadn't been submitted in the first place.

Irrespective of what Correia thought fit to submit as "new evidence", the question still remains as to why the original defence appears to have been so weak.
« Last Edit: January 25, 2016, 04:33:17 PM by Carana »

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #1877 on: January 25, 2016, 04:35:27 PM »
The court accepted that she sustained her injuries while in police custody thanks to the testimony and photographic evidence provided by the prison governor.  She could very well have been attacked by other female inmates but there is no way of knowing for sure.

so why did the pj say she fell down stairs...why did the pj not blame other prisoners  ...why did amaral try to cover it up.......your explanation makes no sense...
« Last Edit: January 25, 2016, 04:43:03 PM by davel »

Alfred R Jones

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Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #1878 on: January 25, 2016, 06:57:22 PM »
The court accepted that she sustained her injuries while in police custody thanks to the testimony and photographic evidence provided by the prison governor.  She could very well have been attacked by other female inmates but there is no way of knowing for sure.
You don't think the PJ would have mounted that as a defence had that been the case then?

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #1879 on: January 25, 2016, 08:49:31 PM »
You don't think the PJ would have mounted that as a defence had that been the case then?

if it was true then the pj would have used this as their defence

Offline John

Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #1880 on: January 25, 2016, 10:32:10 PM »
so why did the pj say she fell down stairs...why did the pj not blame other prisoners  ...why did amaral try to cover it up.......your explanation makes no sense...

Geez...why do you think? 
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline John

Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #1881 on: January 25, 2016, 10:32:56 PM »
Why do you deny the ruling of the court?

Deny what ruling?
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #1882 on: January 25, 2016, 10:34:04 PM »
Geez...why do you think?

if it was true then the pj would have used this as their defence.... the pj beat her knowing they could get away with it...and they were right

stephen25000

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Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #1883 on: January 26, 2016, 11:32:29 AM »
As a reminder for ferryman.

I answered your questions yesterday, but you avoided answering most of mine.

If you continue to do so, neutral guests to this forum will see that you are avoiding them, because of your stance in this case.
« Last Edit: January 26, 2016, 11:42:04 AM by stephen25000 »

Offline John

Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #1884 on: January 26, 2016, 11:44:04 AM »
if it was true then the pj would have used this as their defence.... the pj beat her knowing they could get away with it...and they were right

You make it sound as if they did it for fun?   Which part of an 8-year-old child was missing don't you understand Dave?
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Jean-Pierre

Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #1885 on: January 26, 2016, 11:46:15 AM »
As a reminder for ferryman.

I answered your questions yesterday, but you avoided answering most of mine.

If you continue to do so, neutral guests to this forum will see that you are avoiding them, because of your stance in this case.

A dangerous precedent to set Stephen.   ?{)(**

Offline Jean-Pierre

Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #1886 on: January 26, 2016, 11:52:07 AM »
You make it sound as if they did it for fun?   Which part of an 8-year-old child was missing don't you understand Dave?

John - do you think the PJ were right to beat her up? 

stephen25000

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Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #1887 on: January 26, 2016, 11:57:55 AM »
A dangerous precedent to set Stephen.   ?{)(**

I did the courtesy of answering his questions yesterday.

He did not reciprocate, which came as no surprise.

As least jp, we don't agree on most issues in these cases, to put it mildly, but most of the time we answer each other.

Offline John

Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #1888 on: January 26, 2016, 12:13:09 PM »
John - do you think the PJ were right to beat her up?

Certainly not but then this happens all the time, it is nothing new for cops to rough up a suspect.  I have seen police and functionarios beating up prisoners on many occasions in Spain.  One lad was strapped to his bed face down while being beaten with a strap.  His crime was to have assaulted a functionario with a piece of broken glass. I'm afraid very little is black and white when it comes to inmates in a prison.
« Last Edit: January 26, 2016, 12:18:21 PM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Carana

Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #1889 on: January 26, 2016, 12:22:30 PM »
Certainly not but then this happens all the time, it is nothing new for cops to rough up a suspect.  I have seen police and functionarios beating up prisoners on many occasions in Spain.  One lad was strapped to his bed face down while being beaten with a strap.  His crime was to have assaulted a functionario with a piece of broken glass. I'm afraid very little is black and white when it comes to inmates in a prison.

Leonor was in a PJ station at the time.