Wandering Off Topic

[Mr Gray]

Ergo, why its not been resolved.

But it has

[barrier]

But it has

Where and when ?

[Brietta]

Where and when ?

Oh well ... if you wish to plead ignorance of what goes on in the world about you that's down to you.  But why you seem keen to advertise it is perplexing.

[barrier]

Oh well ... if you wish to plead ignorance of what goes on in the world about you that's down to you.  But why you seem keen to advertise it is perplexing.

When the argument is lost, the abuse begins.

[G-Unit]

Its absolutely remarkable that dogs alerted to the only apartment a child was reported missing from.

I find it even more remarkable that such evidence has been resolutely ignored by Operation Grange.

[Mr Gray]

I find it even more remarkable that such evidence has been resolutely ignored by Operation Grange.

Thats because it isn't in itself evidence and after 14 years you still don't understand.

[Vertigo Swirl]

I find it even more remarkable that such evidence has been resolutely ignored by Operation Grange.

What did the dogs alert to?

[G-Unit]

Thats because it isn't in itself evidence and after 14 years you still don't understand.

I think there are people who have spent 14 years trying to convince themselves and everyone else that alerts by police dogs aren't evidence. Convictions have been achieved using such evidence, so their claims are obviously wrong.

[Mr Gray]

I think there are people who have spent 14 years trying to convince themselves and everyone else that alerts by police dogs aren't evidence. Convictions have been achieved using such evidence, so their claims are obviously wrong.

You need to listen to the.experts rather than deciding you know better.
Every dog is different.. Eddie reacts to blood, coconuts and god knows what else.
As for these particular alerts the experts have told us they have no evidential value or reliability and no inference can be drawn from them...
Can you see how they could be used in evidence after that less than glowing opinion from the two experts

[Vertigo Swirl]

I think there are people who have spent 14 years trying to convince themselves and everyone else that alerts by police dogs aren't evidence. Convictions have been achieved using such evidence, so their claims are obviously wrong.

So what did the dogs actually alert to?

[Icanhandlethetruth]

You need to listen to the.experts rather than deciding you know better.
Every dog is different.. Eddie reacts to blood, coconuts and god knows what else.
As for these particular alerts the experts have told us they have no evidential value or reliability and no inference can be drawn from them...
Can you see how they could be used in evidence after that less than glowing opinion from the two experts

Which two experts? Do you mean M. Grime who said in 2008 that alerts could be supported by anecdotal witness accounts. 
M. Harrison whose only utterances on the subject was

“Additionally I consider no inference can be drawn as to whether a human cadaver has previously been in any location without other supporting physical evidence.”

So he could testify in court that although he could draw no inference(conclusion) that a body had been there, in his expert opinion a body may have laid there.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Which two experts? Do you mean M. Grime who said in 2008 that alerts could be supported by anecdotal witness accounts. 
M. Harrison whose only utterances on the subject was

“Additionally I consider no inference can be drawn as to whether a human cadaver has previously been in any location without other supporting physical evidence.”

So he could testify in court that although he could draw no inference(conclusion) that a body had been there, in his expert opinion a body may have laid there.

If the dog had not alerted would that mean that an expert could draw the conclusion that a body had never laid there? 

[Icanhandlethetruth]

If the dog had not alerted would that mean that an expert could draw the conclusion that a body had never laid there?

You can’t expect me to know the thinking of a hypothetical expert witness, who’s opinion on dog alerts is his alone.
Maybe one would and one wouldn't. Anyone can conclude anything they want even when faced with massive evidence to the contrary, see this subject, dog alerts are not evidence to be heard in court, yet I could give you a dozen cases from the US and Scotland right now.

[Vertigo Swirl]

You can’t expect me to know the thinking of a hypothetical expert witness, who’s opinion on dog alerts is his alone.
Maybe one would and one wouldn't. Anyone can conclude anything they want even when faced with massive evidence to the contrary, see this subject, dog alerts are not evidence to be heard in court, yet I could give you a dozen cases from the US and Scotland right now.

In other words - draw any conclusion you like about the alerts or lack of them in order to suit your case. 

[Icanhandlethetruth]

In other words - draw any conclusion you like about the alerts or lack of them in order to suit your case.

I think that's how it works with just about any piece of evidence, introduce it to support your case, whether you are prosecuting a case or defending a case.