Wandering Off Topic

[G-Unit]

I guess what they mean is - why hasn't her death been co-opted by those with a political agenda, to use her death for demonstrations and civil disorder.  I believe there is a vigil for her tonight so give it time.   That said I think women have good cause to be angry and saddened by the fact that it is still not possible to walk through a well-used city park at 8pm on the way to meet a friend without the risk of being attacked hanging over their heads.  Why should we have to carry rape alarms?  Why shouldn't men have to wear a device that renders them impotent when out and about? If all women are potential rape victims then all men are potential rapists.  IMO.

Some women report being raped when it never happened, but asking all women to wear a recording device so they can't do that would be insulting. Why do you choose to insult all men with your suggestion of them wearing a device? That's how not to gather support from all human beings imo, and to ignore the fact that most men never hurt women.

[Wonderfulspam]

I guess what they mean is - why hasn't her death been co-opted by those with a political agenda, to use her death for demonstrations and civil disorder.  I believe there is a vigil for her tonight so give it time.   That said I think women have good cause to be angry and saddened by the fact that it is still not possible to walk through a well-used city park at 8pm on the way to meet a friend without the risk of being attacked hanging over their heads.  Why should we have to carry rape alarms?  Why shouldn't men have to wear a device that renders them impotent when out and about? If all women are potential rape victims then all men are potential rapists.  IMO.

I think it's a tad ridiculous to be angry about the murder of women you didn't know, never met & had no connection to, just because you're the same gender along with 35 million other people.

From my perspective if a 28 year old man minding his own business in a park after dark got stabbed to death by a random stranger, I might think 'perhaps I shouldn't go to the park after dark', but then I already knew that probably wouldn't be a good idea anyway.

And if there was a vigil in the park for this man, since I didn't know him, never met him, had no connection to him other than being the same sex, along with 35million other people, I really wouldn't see the point of standing in the park with candles amongst a bunch of randoms pretending to mourn the tragic loss of this man that I didn't know, never met & had absolutely no connection to.

Maybe I'm just a bit weird like that.
 

[Wonderfulspam]

I got heavily down voted on another forum when pointing out the murder rate of women is only 3 a week compared to men who are murdered at more than twice that rate, or the combined total of road traffic accidents each year which kill more women & men than murderers do.

But, no, we must be in a moral panic about rampant femicide wiping all the women off the face of the planet as if murders haven't been happening since the beginning of recorded time.

People get murdered, it's part of life's rich tapestry.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Some women report being raped when it never happened, but asking all women to wear a recording device so they can't do that would be insulting. Why do you choose to insult all men with your suggestion of them wearing a device? That's how not to gather support from all human beings imo, and to ignore the fact that most men never hurt women.

You really don't have a sense of humour do you?  Did you actually think I was being serious about men wearing an impotency device?  Oh dear.  It was an ironic riposte to those that suggest that all women should carry a rape alarm.  It's nice that you're so supportive of men and don't seem to have any real words of support for the female of the species, only criticism.  Nice work sistah!

[Vertigo Swirl]

I think it's a tad ridiculous to be angry about the murder of women you didn't know, never met & had no connection to, just because you're the same gender along with 35 million other people.

From my perspective if a 28 year old man minding his own business in a park after dark got stabbed to death by a random stranger, I might think 'perhaps I shouldn't go to the park after dark', but then I already knew that probably wouldn't be a good idea anyway.

And if there was a vigil in the park for this man, since I didn't know him, never met him, had no connection to him other than being the same sex, along with 35million other people, I really wouldn't see the point of standing in the park with candles amongst a bunch of randoms pretending to mourn the tragic loss of this man that I didn't know, never met & had absolutely no connection to.

Maybe I'm just a bit weird like that.

So nothing that happens to others' in your neighbourhood or your country or your society concerns, upsets or angers you, nor can you understand why it should.  Well that's just fine, but without anger there would never be any social change, it's partly what drives it IMO, an anger at the status quo and a desire for improvement and betterment for people who are oppressed, victimised, enslaved, whatever.   Anger is also an expression of empathy for those people.  If you don't have empathy then you can never get angry and demand change on their behalf.   And it's not just people.  It's animals too.  You profess to "loving animals".  Did the Faroe Islanders massacre of 1200 dolphins not make you just a teensy bit cross?  Or did you think, "I never knew those dolphins personally so why should I care if they all get hunted to extinction and killed horribly"?

[Vertigo Swirl]

I got heavily down voted on another forum when pointing out the murder rate of women is only 3 a week compared to men who are murdered at more than twice that rate, or the combined total of road traffic accidents each year which kill more women & men than murderers do.

But, no, we must be in a moral panic about rampant femicide wiping all the women off the face of the planet as if murders haven't been happening since the beginning of recorded time.

People get murdered, it's part of life's rich tapestry.

Just because things have always happened doesn't mean they always should or that we shouldn't as a society strive for change.  IMO.  Look at child slavery.  It's always happened, it still does but we should IMO be striving to live in a world without such exploitation.  You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one...

[G-Unit]

You really don't have a sense of humour do you?  Did you actually think I was being serious about men wearing an impotency device?  Oh dear.  It was an ironic riposte to those that suggest that all women should carry a rape alarm.  It's nice that you're so supportive of men and don't seem to have any real words of support for the female of the species, only criticism.  Nice work sistah!

I'm not anyone's 'sistah', whatever you mean by that. Neither do I support anyone just because of their gender. I don't deal in generalisations.

[Wonderfulspam]

Just because things have always happened doesn't mean they always should or that we shouldn't as a society strive for change.  IMO.  Look at child slavery.  It's always happened, it still does but we should IMO be striving to live in a world without such exploitation.  You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one...

Ok so how do we go about eradicating murder?

I think we should set out a serious plan here &, as a country, convert to a renewable non-murder plan & commit to becoming murder neutral by 2030.

[Wonderfulspam]

So nothing that happens to others' in your neighbourhood or your country or your society concerns, upsets or angers you, nor can you understand why it should.  Well that's just fine, but without anger there would never be any social change, it's partly what drives it IMO, an anger at the status quo and a desire for improvement and betterment for people who are oppressed, victimised, enslaved, whatever.   Anger is also an expression of empathy for those people.  If you don't have empathy then you can never get angry and demand change on their behalf.   And it's not just people.  It's animals too.  You profess to "loving animals".  Did the Faroe Islanders massacre of 1200 dolphins not make you just a teensy bit cross?  Or did you think, "I never knew those dolphins personally so why should I care if they all get hunted to extinction and killed horribly"?

It's terrible that animals get needlessly killed, hunted to extinction or are have their habitats destroyed by climate change (which isn't real) but to be honest, when I'm sat in McDonalds eating my third cow burger of the week I don't really give much thought to Daisy's life that was brutally extinguished, or her calves left motherless or turned into veal, I tend to just enjoy the delicious gluttony.

But I wouldn't eat my cat because I know her. (Although obviously, in a starvation situation with no access to other food sources my mind would eventually be naturally drawn to eating my cat)

[Vertigo Swirl]

I'm not anyone's 'sistah', whatever you mean by that. Neither do I support anyone just because of their gender. I don't deal in generalisations.

You never heard of the Sisterhood, sistah?  Oh well, obviously Women's Lib passed you by...

Here's a generalisation about men:

"...more straightforward, funnier, less bitchy and less self-obsessed".

Sound familiar?

[Vertigo Swirl]

Ok so how do we go about eradicating murder?

I think we should set out a serious plan here &, as a country, convert to a renewable non-murder plan & commit to becoming murder neutral by 2030.

I think that's a great idea, and in fact it's a project human beings have been working on for a while now with a few noticeable hiccups.  We live in a far less murderous society than we used to hundreds of years ago so that's something to be pleased about, but doesn't mean we should be complacent about it. 

[Vertigo Swirl]

It's terrible that animals get needlessly killed, hunted to extinction or are have their habitats destroyed by climate change (which isn't real) but to be honest, when I'm sat in McDonalds eating my third cow burger of the week I don't really give much thought to Daisy's life that was brutally extinguished, or her calves left motherless or turned into veal, I tend to just enjoy the delicious gluttony.

But I wouldn't eat my cat because I know her. (Although obviously, in a starvation situation with no access to other food sources my mind would eventually be naturally drawn to eating my cat)

So hunting animals to extinction or deliberate cruelty to animals doesn't anger you even a little bit and you can't understand why anyone would be so angry about it as to want to prevent the destruction of species?

[Wonderfulspam]

So hunting animals to extinction or deliberate cruelty to animals doesn't anger you even a little bit and you can't understand why anyone would be so angry about it as to want to prevent the destruction of species?

It certainly doesn't anger me no.

Anger is quite a strong feeling. I might get a bit annoyed when I'm stuck behind a slow moving tractor holding up a queue of traffic on the northbound section of the A22 or if some idiot is fumbling around in front of me at the cashpoint as if they've never set eyes on one before, but that's just annoyance.

Anger is reserved for more serious situations that affect me directly & more profoundly & I seriously can't remember the last time I was genuinely angry about anything.

I can understand wanting to save the planet but we're not going to do that if people keep sh*tting out endless amounts of children since we live on a limited sized planet with finite resources & no amount of going red in the face & stamping one's feet is going to stop the darkies making potions out of Rhino horn.

[Vertigo Swirl]

It certainly doesn't anger me no.

Anger is quite a strong feeling. I might get a bit annoyed when I'm stuck behind a slow moving tractor holding up a queue of traffic on the northbound section of the A22 or if some idiot is fumbling around in front of me at the cashpoint as if they've never set eyes on one before, but that's just annoyance.

Anger is reserved for more serious situations that affect me directly & more profoundly & I seriously can't remember the last time I was genuinely angry about anything.

I can understand wanting to save the planet but we're not going to do that if people keep sh*tting out endless amounts of children since we live on a limited sized planet with finite resources & no amount of going red in the face & stamping one's feet is going to stop the darkies making potions out of Rhino horn.

I think you'll find it's the Chinese with an obsession for rhino horn.  OK, I accept nothing angers you, but that doesn't invalidate anger as an appropriate reaction to many injustices and actions that happen in the world that don't directly impact on your nearest and dearest (though I would argue that everything that makes me angry does have some effect on me and my nearest and dearest to a greater or lesser extent - a woman murdered in a park for example contributes to the sense of insecurity many women feel when going about their business in public, for me as a mother it reinforces my anxiety about the safety of my own daughter who lives in a city where crime is quite prevalent).

[Wonderfulspam]

I think you'll find it's the Chinese with an obsession for rhino horn.  OK, I accept nothing angers you, but that doesn't invalidate anger as an appropriate reaction to many injustices and actions that happen in the world that don't directly impact on your nearest and dearest (though I would argue that everything that makes me angry does have some effect on me and my nearest and dearest to a greater or lesser extent - a woman murdered in a park for example contributes to the sense of insecurity many women feel when going about their business in public, for me as a mother it reinforces my anxiety about the safety of my own daughter who lives in a city where crime is quite prevalent).

Well, as a man, even though men are murdered at a higher rate than women & more men are murdered by strangers than women, I can't say I feel a sense of anger, panic or fear for myself or my nephew just because some dude was stabbed in the neck on Hamstead Heath, probably because the media doesn't push the narrative that men are under daily threat of murder. Even though they are at a demonstrably greater risk of murder than women.