Wandering Off Topic

[Wonderfulspam]

Both individuals are depraved but killing day old babies, especially in a manner that causes them pain and suffering is especially evil.  Numbers of victims doesn't increase the amount of evil within you - you kill one person sadistically and cruelly and you are just as evil as someone who kills 100 people sadistically and cruelly IMO, you were just able to get away with it for longer and kill more frequently.

Killing day old babies is worse than killing adults then is It?  How so & where is the cut off Point? Is it somehow worse to kill a day old baby than to kill one that's a year old? If you leave the killing until the child turns 16, is that somehow less evil?  I must admit I find this whole morality Idea somewhat confusing. Anyway, most of Shipmans victims were old & senile so perhaps he should have been let off really.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Of course people who use these terrible cases to further their puerile, trollish agendas on social media are really pretty despicable too IMO.   Not quite what I'd describe as evil, but there is a sickness there, obviously.  A desire to shock, outrage, upset others for personal amusement.  It's all very sad. 

[Eleanor]

Of course people who use these terrible cases to further their puerile, trollish agendas on social media are really pretty despicable too IMO.   Not quite what I'd describe as evil, but there is a sickness there, obviously.  A desire to shock, outrage, upset others for personal amusement.  It's all very sad.

I have to wonder what they might do given half a chance.

[Brietta]

Of course people who use these terrible cases to further their puerile, trollish agendas on social media are really pretty despicable too IMO.   Not quite what I'd describe as evil, but there is a sickness there, obviously.  A desire to shock, outrage, upset others for personal amusement.  It's all very sad.

They no longer have the power to shock, cause outrage or upset.  Just so predictable. they have become pathetic

[Vertigo Swirl]

They no longer have the power to shock, cause outrage or upset.  Just so predictable. they have become pathetic

No, they always were pathetic.

[Miss Taken Identity]

I'm glad someone mentioned Lucy Letby, as I've been eager to point out that.... Lucy Letby was a nurse, & so was Beverly Allitt. Nurses work with doctors. Doctor Harold Shipman was a doctor, & so are the McCanns.

 I thought the Lucy Letby would have her own thread on here...

I do have a weird feeling about her However, I agreed that the circumstantial evidence is overwhelming there doesn't really seem to be 'hard evidence'. By that I mean actual witnesses where air/insulin was being injected by her. If this was a death penalty sentence I would feel very uneasy about it.

I work within the medical profession and can share with you that many Drs and Nurses can be the most arrogant, ignorant, narcissistic people you may come across. the old saying doctors bury their mistakes and the coverups by each other is well known within health industry.

Question: What is the difference between a nurse/ doctor and God Almighty?
Answer- God Almighty doesn't think he is a doctor or nurse.

Apologies if I miss pronouns of God. He just may well be non binary.

[Vertigo Swirl]

I thought the Lucy Letby would have her own thread on here...

I do have a weird feeling about her However, I agreed that the circumstantial evidence is overwhelming there doesn't really seem to be 'hard evidence'. By that I mean actual witnesses where air/insulin was being injected by her. If this was a death penalty sentence I would feel very uneasy about it.

I work within the medical profession and can share with you that many Drs and Nurses can be the most arrogant, ignorant, narcissistic people you may come across. the old saying doctors bury their mistakes and the coverups by each other is well known within health industry.

Question: What is the difference between a nurse/ doctor and God Almighty?
Answer- God Almighty doesn't think he is a doctor or nurse.

Apologies if I miss pronouns of God. He just may well be non binary.

As I understand it, it was several doctors who were working alongside Letby who raised concerns about her but who were fobbed off by NHS bureaucrats.  Not all doctors are arrogant, evil b........s much as you would like us believe it to be so.

[Wonderfulspam]

She revelled in the drama of the collapses she induced. I remember reading that she bathed at least one of her victims & shared sympathy with their parents. Later searching their Facebook pages to check up on her work. One thing that struck me was that when Ms Letby's fling, the male doctor associate, gave evidence against her, she apparently wept & had to leave the courtroom. There was a display of genuine human emotion that hadn't involved unspeakable evil. It seems easy to overlook that this monster is still actually a human being capable of love. Anyway, enough joking around. She really is one of the most nasty pieces of shit I've ever had the displeasure of reading about & may she live a long, miserable life, trapped alone inside a tiny cell. Amen.

[Myster]

An MoJ muck-raking wagon about to hit the road...

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/08/23/lucy-letby-campaigners-freedom-launch-fundraising-appeal/

[Eleanor]

An MoJ muck-raking wagon about to hit the road...

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/08/23/lucy-letby-campaigners-freedom-launch-fundraising-appeal/

I think we all knew that this would happen.  Something to do with no one seeing her do these things to such small babies.  She just waited until no one was there and it didn't take long anyway.  If not today then tomorrow would do.
However, she was the only one who was always present.  The rest of them were present less than half of the time.

[Brietta]

As I understand it, it was several doctors who were working alongside Letby who raised concerns about her but who were fobbed off by NHS bureaucrats.  Not all doctors are arrogant, evil b........s much as you would like us believe it to be so.

Well said VS.

I'm afraid that for the moment I can no longer bring myself to join in with what passes for the obtuse, ill informed and inherently nasty comment we are exposes to.  I do wish pronouns would ascertain the facts before posting nonsense.  Thank you for keeping the record straight.

[Miss Taken Identity]

As I understand it, it was several doctors who were working alongside Letby who raised concerns about her but who were fobbed off by NHS bureaucrats.  Not all doctors are arrogant, evil b........s much as you would like us believe it to be so.

Please refrain from typing words attributing them to me"

I SAID "I work within the medical profession and can share with you that many Drs and Nurses can be the most arrogant, ignorant, narcissistic people you may come across. "

No mention of me SAYING "all doctors are arrogant, evil b........s"

NO Doubt that is your version of truth and will stick by it. The hard evidence on THIS  thread is THE TRUTH.

"I work within the medical profession and can share with you that many Drs and Nurses can be the most arrogant, ignorant, narcissistic people you may come across. "

I also never said I believe  LL is innocent or had sympathy for her, I was pointing out the dangers of  the death penalty being introduced and this case being based purely on circumstantial evidence, albeit very damming circumstantial evidence.

I will add my two pence by agreeing that ALL those 'managers' who did nothing- should be sacked without 'golden handshake'

[Vertigo Swirl]

Please refrain from typing words attributing them to me"

I SAID "I work within the medical profession and can share with you that many Drs and Nurses can be the most arrogant, ignorant, narcissistic people you may come across. "

No mention of me SAYING "all doctors are arrogant, evil b........s"

NO Doubt that is your version of truth and will stick by it. The hard evidence on THIS  thread is THE TRUTH.

"I work within the medical profession and can share with you that many Drs and Nurses can be the most arrogant, ignorant, narcissistic people you may come across. "

I also never said I believe  LL is innocent or had sympathy for her, I was pointing out the dangers of  the death penalty being introduced and this case being based purely on circumstantial evidence, albeit very damming circumstantial evidence.

I will add my two pence by agreeing that ALL those 'managers' who did nothing- should be sacked without 'golden handshake'

what have arrogant, ignorant,narcissistic doctors got to do with this case?  Why did you feel it necessary to put the boot in to doctors generally?  Have you encountered many (any?) decent, hardworking, knowledgeable doctors? 
No one here was arguing for the death penalty in this case afaik, so don’t know why you brought that up either.

[Eleanor]

At least we all seem to  agree about those wretched Managers.  Unbelievable.  Babies could have been saved.  Not only did they attempt to ignore the whole thing, they even threatened the doctors.

[Mr Gray]

I thought the Lucy Letby would have her own thread on here...

I do have a weird feeling about her However, I agreed that the circumstantial evidence is overwhelming there doesn't really seem to be 'hard evidence'. By that I mean actual witnesses where air/insulin was being injected by her. If this was a death penalty sentence I would feel very uneasy about it.

I work within the medical profession and can share with you that many Drs and Nurses can be the most arrogant, ignorant, narcissistic people you may come across. the old saying doctors bury their mistakes and the coverups by each other is well known within health industry.

Question: What is the difference between a nurse/ doctor and God Almighty?
Answer- God Almighty doesn't think he is a doctor or nurse.

Apologies if I miss pronouns of God. He just may well be non binary.

I don't share your opinion on doctors and I've met many..Id be more interested in their opinion of you