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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #4005 on: August 03, 2018, 09:11:56 PM »
Did you vote for Brexit?

faith seems to think brexit has some bearing on the case...do you

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #4006 on: August 03, 2018, 09:24:55 PM »
Did you vote for Brexit?

if your post has no relevance you should delete it

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #4007 on: August 03, 2018, 09:30:39 PM »
could someone explain how the portuguese justice system accepts that an alert to cadaver is a proven fact when the experts say it is not proven

interesting...it seems no one has an explanation

Offline Mr Gray

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« Reply #4008 on: August 03, 2018, 09:34:27 PM »
could someone explain how the portuguese justice system accepts that an alert to cadaver is a proven fact when the experts say it is not proven

so who is wrong...the experts or the portuguese justice system

Offline Angelo222

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« Reply #4009 on: August 03, 2018, 09:34:49 PM »
The McCanns thought that their libel action in Portugal against Amaral and the media companies was a walkover after what happened in the UK. It nearly was when the first instance court wrongly found in their favour. Fortunately the appeal court and the supreme court saw it differently and found for the defendants.

The right to free speech is very important in Portugal and imo the upper courts were correct to uphold that right.
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

Je ne regrette rien!!

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #4010 on: August 03, 2018, 09:35:12 PM »
could someone explain how the portuguese justice system accepts that an alert to cadaver is a proven fact when the experts say it is not proven

Can you prove "the Portuguese justice system accepts that an alert to cadaver is a proven fact"?
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #4011 on: August 03, 2018, 09:37:04 PM »
The McCanns thought that their libel action in Portugal against Amaral and the media companies was a walkover after what happened in the UK. It nearly was when the first instance court wrongly found in their favour. Fortunately the appeal court and the supreme court saw it differently and found for the defendants.

and now we wait for the ECHR ...who will imo...based on past cases.... find that Portugal has breached the McCann's human rights and this will will have achieved more than if they had defeated Amaral. They will have discredited not just him, but his entire country.

Offline Mr Gray

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« Reply #4012 on: August 03, 2018, 09:38:04 PM »
Can you prove "the Portuguese justice system accepts that an alert to cadaver is a proven fact"?

yes rob ...I can,....its stated in the PROVEN facts...

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #4013 on: August 03, 2018, 09:39:47 PM »
The McCanns thought that their libel action in Portugal against Amaral and the media companies was a walkover after what happened in the UK. It nearly was when the first instance court wrongly found in their favour. Fortunately the appeal court and the supreme court saw it differently and found for the defendants.

The right to free speech is very important in Portugal and imo the upper court were correct to uphold that right.
Fortunate for Amaral at least.

How happy would the Portuguese be if there was a book produced saying the PJ were corrupt?  Would that be considered free speech?
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Offline Robittybob1

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« Reply #4014 on: August 03, 2018, 09:42:07 PM »
yes rob ...I can,....its stated in the PROVEN facts...
Could you copy and paste that from the proven facts please?
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Offline Mr Gray

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« Reply #4015 on: August 03, 2018, 09:45:52 PM »
Could you copy and paste that from the proven facts please?

I will do it tomorrow Rob...its in the SC judgement

Offline misty

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« Reply #4016 on: August 03, 2018, 09:46:54 PM »
The McCanns thought that their libel action in Portugal against Amaral and the media companies was a walkover after what happened in the UK. It nearly was when the first instance court wrongly found in their favour. Fortunately the appeal court and the supreme court saw it differently and found for the defendants.

The right to free speech is very important in Portugal and imo the upper courts were correct to uphold that right.

The right to free speech in Portugal often very much depends on who is being spoken about.

http://portugalresident.com/over-9000-call-for-an-end-to-%E2%80%9Ccrimes-against-honour%E2%80%9D

PORTUGALPRESS on August 02, 2018

A petition calling for the end of crimes against honour has been delivered to parliament signed by 9,000 people.

The hope is that Portugal’s “obsolete and medieval” legislation that has been known to ruin lives is finally consigned to the wastebin.

In the words of the petition’s champion Luís Júdice “these rules simply serve to intimidate whomever has an opinion different to that of the system”.

Portugal’s defamation legislation is “considered obsolete and medieval by the European Commission”, he told Público, adding that sending people to prison for it “simply doesn’t make sense.

As a subscriber to the European Convention for Human Rights, Portugal should “kill this issue at its source”, he said, but that is not what is happening.

Only two years ago, “intellectual and artist” Maria de Lurdes Rodrigues was condemned to three years in jail - which she is still serving, purportedly in a cell with two convicted murderers (click here) - for a long-running battle she waged against high-ranking figures in Portugal’s establishment.

As Júdice said at the time, Rodrigues is “not a criminal”.

If people - no matter what position they have in life - feel their honour has been offended, they can take the issue to the civil courts and ask for compensation, he stressed.

This is the second attempt instigated by Júdice to change a law that to a large extent even conditions Portuguese media.
Newspapers are frequently threatened with ‘an action for defamation’ just for printing the truth. Often the threats are empty, but the mere fact that they are made can lead to editors and/ or publishers to spiking perfectly valid material.

Thus this bid is being keenly watched.

Júdice's first attempt, again in the form of a well-signed petition, failed to be admitted for debate due to the fact that it called on parliament to intervene in the specific case of Maria de Lurdes Rodrigues, which was seen as a violation of the principle of separation of powers.

This new bid is much more generic.

It calls principally for an end of crimes against honour but it also “requests the revocation of the Civil Procedure Code” which prohibits “the written or oral use of unnecessary or unjustified expressions which are offensive to the honour or the good name of another, or in respect of institutions”.

The petition further calls for a parliamentary inquiry into the training of judges, and an overview of judicial decisions that have shown themselves to be incompatible with the Convention of Human Rights.

This last point could well involve the controversial recent judgement that ruled in favour of two men who kidnapped a woman and beat her with a nail-spiked club (click here) on the basis that she was an adulteress who, in other countries in the world, could be executed for her behaviour.

Offline Angelo222

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« Reply #4017 on: August 03, 2018, 09:47:37 PM »
and now we wait for the ECHR ...who will imo...based on past cases.... find that Portugal has breached the McCann's human rights and this will will have achieved more than if they had defeated Amaral. They will have discredited not just him, but his entire country.

I recall you saying the same thing ahead of the SC decision.  I fear you and the McCanns will be sorely disappointed.
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

Je ne regrette rien!!

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #4018 on: August 03, 2018, 09:48:23 PM »
The McCanns thought that their libel action in Portugal against Amaral and the media companies was a walkover after what happened in the UK. It nearly was when the first instance court wrongly found in their favour. Fortunately the appeal court and the supreme court saw it differently and found for the defendants.

The right to free speech is very important in Portugal and imo the upper courts were correct to uphold that right.

the SC has been corrected before and will be again...portugal is governed by ECHR law...the SC judgements fails on several points imo

Offline G-Unit

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« Reply #4019 on: August 03, 2018, 09:49:43 PM »
I will do it tomorrow Rob...its in the SC judgement

I don't think it's in the PROVEN FACTS.
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