Wandering Off Topic

[Mr Gray]

The law, of course, has to provide cites so that the original quote and it's context can be examined. You keep forgetting to add yours.

You keep repeating your opinions of what occurred, but in my opinion you clearly don't understand the arguments were put forward. .

The cites are on the page I've provided a link to....the documents are all their in Portuguese......I will look at translating them later but from what the site days..the SC have made a massive error


I think I have a very good understanding of the argument s made

[Mr Gray]

The law, of course, has to provide cites so that the original quote and it's context can be examined. You keep forgetting to add yours.

You keep repeating your opinions of what occurred, but in my opinion you clearly don't understand the arguments were put forward. .

1. The McCanns have invoked the principle of presumption of innocence to justify the restrictions they want imposed on dr. Amaral's freedom of expression;

2. The Supreme Court stated, in its ruling, that the above is no argument because the McCanns were not considered innocent by the investigation and the case was archived because not enough evidence was found to charge them.


its you who doesnt understand...this is not MY opinion....its an interpretation and translation by Kazlux....who
 I understand is porttuguese and helped in the translation of the files...and is an amaral supporter
http://pjga.blogspot.com/?m=0

[faithlilly]

1. The McCanns have invoked the principle of presumption of innocence to justify the restrictions they want imposed on dr. Amaral's freedom of expression;

2. The Supreme Court stated, in its ruling, that the above is no argument because the McCanns were not considered innocent by the investigation and the case was archived because not enough evidence was found to charge them.


its you who doesnt understand...this is not MY opinion....its an interpretation and translation by Kazlux....who
 I understand is porttuguese and helped in the translation of the files...and is an amaral supporter
http://pjga.blogspot.com/?m=0

And you think your understanding will be more objective being english and a McCann supporter ?

[Mr Gray]

And you think your understanding will be more objective being english and a McCann supporter ?

no.......im quoting a portuguese amaral supporter.....Im not giving my opinion

[Sunny]

no.......im quoting a portuguese amaral supporter.....Im not giving my opinion

I would say "I think I have a very good understanding of the argument s made" is giving your opinion IMO

[faithlilly]

no.......im quoting a portuguese amaral supporter.....Im not giving my opinion

But you do and will again at some point. So being a McCann supporter do you think that opinion will be any more objective?

This is the thing that always gets me. Supporters moan about the quality of the translations of the files because they were done, in the main, by Portuguese individuals who, in the main, support Amaral. So here’s an idea, why don’t they learn Portuguese and translate them themselves ? It’s been 11 years, ample time you would have thought to learn a new language and what with them being such clever people able to see through all the misinformation to the truth.

The original files are there for all to see. If you are going to accuse individuals of mistranslating because of bias you really do need to base that on an actual knowledge of that which you think is dodgy.

[Sunny]

But you do and will again at some point. So being a McCann supporter do you think that that opinion will be any more objective?

This is the thing that always gets me. Supporters moan about the quality of the translations of the files because they were done, in the main, by Portuguese individuals who, in the main, support Amaral. So here’s an idea, why don’t they learn Portuguese and translate them themselves ? It’s been 11 years, ample time you would have thought to learn a new language and what with them being such clever people able to see through all the misinformation to the truth.

The original files are there for all to see. If you are going to accuse individuals of mistranslating because of bias you really do need to base that on an actual knowledge of that which you think is dodgy.

Perhaps because the original translations made by Astro etc are actually quite accurate in most instances. Once the supporters admit the translations are good to go then they lose that stick to beat the sceptics with.

Of course they do have a supposed Portuguese speakers eg Pedro. I am sure he/she could have done a translation in 11 years, assuming they do speak Portuguese of course

[faithlilly]

Perhaps because the original translations made by Astro etc are actually quite accurate in most instances. Once the supporters admit the translations are good to go then they lose that stick to beat the sceptics with.

Of course they do have a supposed Portuguese speakers eg Pedro. I am sure he/she could have done a translation in 11 years, assuming they do speak Portuguese of course

Oh yes I forgot Pedro McSporran Sunny. 

[Angelo222]

Afaiac....if the case is rejected a rejection is published...as happened in a recent case...we have seen no rejection

The ECHR rejects many invalid applications before they are even accepted thus never published.

[Sunny]

The ECHR rejects many invalid applications before they are even accepted thus never published.

I gather a large number get refused before they even leave their country of origin too Angelo222

[Angelo222]

The cites are on the page I've provided a link to....the documents are all their in Portuguese......I will look at translating them later but from what the site days..the SC have made a massive error


I think I have a very good understanding of the argument s made

Except that you don't appear to understand the concept that Portuguese law is valid in Portugal and there is nothing the ECHR can do to change that.  The Portuguese SC ruling cannot be overturned.

[Angelo222]

I gather a large number get refused before they even leave their country of origin too Angelo222

Anyone can submit an application to the ECHR, it's just a matter of filling in a few pages of a preprinted form.  There is no application fee.  The form is posted to the court. The origin country has no input.

[Mr Gray]

But you do and will again at some point. So being a McCann supporter do you think that opinion will be any more objective?

This is the thing that always gets me. Supporters moan about the quality of the translations of the files because they were done, in the main, by Portuguese individuals who, in the main, support Amaral. So here’s an idea, why don’t they learn Portuguese and translate them themselves ? It’s been 11 years, ample time you would have thought to learn a new language and what with them being such clever people able to see through all the misinformation to the truth.

The original files are there for all to see. If you are going to accuse individuals of mistranslating because of bias you really do need to base that on an actual knowledge of that which you think is dodgy.

Your post makes no sense because as I recall I haven't never....moaned about the quality of the translated files....
See if you can provide a cite..

I have questioned the non verbatim twice translated statements made by the McCann's....because we don't have the original statements in English....this means your post makes even less sense because no matter how perfect my Portuguese I would not have an original statement to translate

[Mr Gray]

The ECHR rejects many invalid applications before they are even accepted thus never published.

Do you have a cite for the fact that rejections are not published.....Ive seen ones that are

[Mr Gray]

Except that you don't appear to understand the concept that Portuguese law is valid in Portugal and there is nothing the ECHR can do to change that.  The Portuguese SC ruling cannot be overturned.

It can rule that Portugal had violated the McCanns human rights and that the SC ruling was incorrect...
Your continual...you don't seem to understand....falls on deaf ears...I'm sure it's clear I understand much more than you...imo