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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #4890 on: January 15, 2019, 09:54:00 PM »
I have to agree.  The language barrier has always been put forward as some sort of excuse for not immediately telephoning the police.  Utter nonsense imo.  If my kid disappeared in those circumstances and I felt that I couldn't dial 112, I would insist the tapas manager telephone the police immediately and if there wasn't one on duty any waiter could have done the same thing and summoned police very quickly.  Walking down to main reception to summon police was simply time wasting imo.
As part of their policy OC may have insisted on doing a search first before calling the GNR.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

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« Reply #4891 on: January 15, 2019, 09:58:59 PM »
I lost my toddler in a public place for a few minutes once.  I didn’t call the police immediately, should I have done?  I thought she’d probably wandered off when I was momentarily distracted, but it also crossed my mind she might have been taken.  I searched frantically and was beside myself but I did not immediately think to phone the police straight away.  I guess that makes me a bad person.  Child was found after a few minutes btw. 
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #4892 on: January 15, 2019, 10:13:26 PM »
I lost my toddler in a public place for a few minutes once.  I didn’t call the police immediately, should I have done?  I thought she’d probably wandered off when I was momentarily distracted, but it also crossed my mind she might have been taken.  I searched frantically and was beside myself but I did not immediately think to phone the police straight away.  I guess that makes me a bad person.  Child was found after a few minutes btw.
IMO - There wouldn't be enough police to attend to all the situations as you have described.  I'm sure they would said something like: "have a look around and get back to us if you don't find the child after an hour or so".

I found stipulating a time of initial searching to be quite difficult to estimate, should it be an hour  or two hours or even a day?
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Offline G-Unit

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« Reply #4893 on: January 15, 2019, 10:45:47 PM »
I have to agree.  The language barrier has always been put forward as some sort of excuse for not immediately telephoning the police.  Utter nonsense imo.  If my kid disappeared in those circumstances and I felt that I couldn't dial 112, I would insist the tapas manager telephone the police immediately and if there wasn't one on duty any waiter could have done the same thing and summoned police very quickly.  Walking down to main reception to summon police was simply time wasting imo.

According to Kate McCann's bookI her friends pleaded with those in the Tapas complex to call the police. They seem to have been ignored just as Matthew was ignored twice by the receptionist. I find it all very difficult to believe.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

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« Reply #4894 on: January 15, 2019, 10:55:17 PM »
Who is going to admit that someone begged them to call the police because a child had gone missing but they ignored their request?  No one that’s who. 
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Offline misty

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« Reply #4895 on: January 15, 2019, 11:34:36 PM »
Who was actually responsible for ensuring the receptionist called the police for the first time at 2241hrs?

Offline faithlilly

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« Reply #4896 on: January 16, 2019, 12:35:11 AM »
According to Kate McCann's bookI her friends pleaded with those in the Tapas complex to call the police. They seem to have been ignored just as Matthew was ignored twice by the receptionist. I find it all very difficult to believe.

And Kate’s fervent appeals to the police that there was something wrong with the twins also seem to have been ignored.
Those poor, unfortunate holidaymakers.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Vertigo Swirl

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« Reply #4897 on: January 16, 2019, 07:19:00 AM »
And Kate’s fervent appeals to the police that there was something wrong with the twins also seem to have been ignored.
Those poor, unfortunate holidaymakers.
Can we have a cite for “fervent appeals” please? 
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Offline Sunny

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #4898 on: January 16, 2019, 07:29:17 AM »
Can we have a cite for “fervent appeals” please?

I can't give you one as I can't find one made at the time of Madeleine's disappearance.

Kate McCann on 4th May 2007

Faced with this situation,she verified that the twins were in their respective beds, unlike Madeleine, who had disappeared. The cover was pulled back and the toys were on the pillow as usual. After searching the whole apartment thoroughly, the interviewee went back, scared and shocked, to the restaurant, to alert her husband and the others to the disappearance. The whole group then set about searching for Madeleine throughout the complex, looked in all the buildings, swimming pool, tennis courts etc....as well as in the apartment with the help of employees, who, at the same time, contacted the authorities.


No mention of the twins sleeping/drugged just that they were in their respective beds.

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Offline slartibartfast

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #4899 on: January 16, 2019, 08:00:25 AM »
Who is going to admit that someone begged them to call the police because a child had gone missing but they ignored their request?  No one that’s who.

Can we have a cite fo “begged”.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

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Offline faithlilly

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« Reply #4901 on: January 16, 2019, 11:08:53 AM »
I can't give you one as I can't find one made at the time of Madeleine's disappearance.

Kate McCann on 4th May 2007

Faced with this situation,she verified that the twins were in their respective beds, unlike Madeleine, who had disappeared. The cover was pulled back and the toys were on the pillow as usual. After searching the whole apartment thoroughly, the interviewee went back, scared and shocked, to the restaurant, to alert her husband and the others to the disappearance. The whole group then set about searching for Madeleine throughout the complex, looked in all the buildings, swimming pool, tennis courts etc....as well as in the apartment with the help of employees, who, at the same time, contacted the authorities.


No mention of the twins sleeping/drugged just that they were in their respective beds.

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From Madeleine

‘We tried to explain what had happened. David reiterated his concerns about roadblocks and border notification and I reported my fears that all three children could have been sedated. A lady called Sílvia, who worked at the Ocean Club, had arrived to help out with translation. We learned later that she was the maintenance and services manager. I remember her telling me that she had two grown-up daughters herself. She was very kind and I was glad of her help and support.’


Strange that not one of the people who the parents called that night report either of them voicing any fears that the twins may have been sedated and that their concerns were being ignored. Sílvia Batista, who would have translated any concerns, makes no mention of Kate raising any concerns either.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

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Offline Vertigo Swirl

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« Reply #4902 on: January 16, 2019, 11:17:32 AM »
From Madeleine

‘We tried to explain what had happened. David reiterated his concerns about roadblocks and border notification and I reported my fears that all three children could have been sedated. A lady called Sílvia, who worked at the Ocean Club, had arrived to help out with translation. We learned later that she was the maintenance and services manager. I remember her telling me that she had two grown-up daughters herself. She was very kind and I was glad of her help and support.’


Strange that not one of the people who the parents called that night report either of them voicing any fears that the twins may have been sedated and that their concerns were being ignored. Sílvia Batista, who would have translated any concerns, makes no mention of Kate raising any concerns either.
Did Silvia Batista give a detailed account of everything that was said by Kate and others that night?  If so where is it?
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #4903 on: January 16, 2019, 11:40:28 AM »
Did Silvia Batista give a detailed account of everything that was said by Kate and others that night?  If so where is it?

Are you seriously suggesting that a mature woman and two police officers would have ignored a statement by a qualified doctor that her children were showing signs of having been sedated by a criminal? In my opinion no-one would have let such a statement pass without comment or action.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

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« Reply #4904 on: January 16, 2019, 11:54:34 AM »
Are you seriously suggesting that a mature woman and two police officers would have ignored a statement by a qualified doctor that her children were showing signs of having been sedated by a criminal? In my opinion no-one would have let such a statement pass without comment or action.
Are you seriously suggesting that the distraught mother of a missing child, with two seemingly drugged children would make up such a lie, one that could be so easily refuted not only by Silivia Batista but by two officers of the law, who would be able to use this as evidence of deceit on the part of the one time suspect?
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".