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Offline Mr Gray

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« Reply #5835 on: June 24, 2019, 11:05:01 AM »
Mr Grime and his dogs.

The dog handler, Martin Grime, was hired by the FBI to come to America and help establish a cadaver dog program.  He brought his two dogs, Morse the cadaver dog, and Keela the blood detection dog, to the Castillo home 17 days after the body was located. Morse alerted to the basement bathroom where the body was found, and also to the foot of her bed in the master bedroom.

In a statement to the Commonwealth’s Attorney’s Office following the appeal, Grimes said prosecutors’ “support for our search philosophy and strategy ensured that all relevant forensic intelligence was secured and helped solve the case. It is that sort of forward thinking and acceptance of science and support of research that makes your team a cut above the rest.”


https://loudounnow.com/2019/06/20/appeals-court-upholds-castillo-murder-conviction/

Grime was not taken to America to establish  a cadave dog programme... They already had one

Offline faithlilly

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« Reply #5836 on: June 24, 2019, 11:16:08 AM »
Grime was not taken to America to establish  a cadave dog programme... They already had one


Cite ?
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Offline Robittybob1

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« Reply #5837 on: June 24, 2019, 12:15:24 PM »

Cite ?
Wasn't the USA training better than the UK for the USA trained their dogs on human cadaver parts but the UK dogs were trained only on decomposed piglets.
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Offline Mr Gray

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« Reply #5838 on: June 24, 2019, 12:31:32 PM »
Wasn't the USA training better than the UK for the USA trained their dogs on human cadaver parts but the UK dogs were trained only on decomposed piglets.

Of course it was better... From the article quoted it looks as though the source for all the information in the article is from Grime himself

Offline Brietta

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« Reply #5839 on: June 24, 2019, 12:34:53 PM »
Wasn't the USA training better than the UK for the USA trained their dogs on human cadaver parts but the UK dogs were trained only on decomposed piglets.

I find the initial request for a cite a bit strange as most know that American training could well be considered superior to ours thanks to certain states having body farms and as a result animals trained on nothing but human decomposition at all its stages.

But sigh ... here is one I think may suffice ...
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Since 1972 Andy Rebmann and Marcia Koenig have each trained and worked search and rescue dogs. Andy started out with the Connecticut State Police, while Marcia started with volunteer unit, Texas SARDA, a founding member of the American Rescue Dog Association.

After his retirement from the CT State Police, Andy started K9 Specialty Search Associates in 1991. Marcia joined in 1993, and together they have taught seminars throughout the United States, Canada, Mexico, Germany, Czech Republic and Japan.

Courses taught include basic and advanced cadaver, trailing, wilderness area search, disaster search, water search and crime scene search. Andy wrote the Cadaver Dog Handbook, while Marcia produced the Water Search DVD. Both are available in the store.
https://www.cadaverdog.com/
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Offline Wonderfulspam

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« Reply #5840 on: June 26, 2019, 12:26:55 PM »

Police search for 2-year-old boy who ‘vanished from his bed’


Police and the FBI are searching for a two-year-old boy who reportedly vanished in the middle of the night.

Noah Tomlin’s mother said she last saw her son in his bed at 1 am on Monday morning in their mobile home in Norfolk, Virginia, according to Hampton Police Chief Terry Sult.
Sult said ‘We’re turning over every stone’ in a video the police department posted on Facebook on Monday.

Noah was reported missing by his mother who called police at 11:35 am on Monday morning.

Sult did not get into the specific details of the case, but said ‘We are not ruling anything out until we find the child’ when asked if he suspected an abduction.

‘We’re considering everything from the child just walking away, all the way up to foul play. We are looking at all potential possibilities,’ Sult said. He added: ‘We’re going to take it as worst case and hope for the best case.’

Police spokesman Reginald Williams told the Daily Press that authorities have ‘searched and re-searched’ the Bayside Mobile Home Village where the boy’s family lives.

He also said investigators have searched the Chesapeake Bay shoreline.
First responders were seen using a airboat to search the nearby Mill Creek.

The boy’s parents have reportedly been interviewed by police although no charges have been announced. Residents have been told to avoid the areas that police are focusing on and have been told authorities are not looking for help from civilian search teams.

https://metro.co.uk/2019/06/25/police-search-2-year-old-boy-vanished-bed-10071489/
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Offline Wonderfulspam

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« Reply #5841 on: June 26, 2019, 12:28:43 PM »

Search continues for missing Hampton 2-year-old, trash collection suspended in area

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SbvrTjZRv4
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Offline G-Unit

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« Reply #5842 on: June 26, 2019, 12:59:45 PM »
Wasn't the USA training better than the UK for the USA trained their dogs on human cadaver parts but the UK dogs were trained only on decomposed piglets.

The point, though, is when the FBI set up it's own cadaver dog training programme.
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Offline misty

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« Reply #5843 on: June 26, 2019, 01:22:59 PM »
Search continues for missing Hampton 2-year-old, trash collection suspended in area

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SbvrTjZRv4

Mother has previous. I think we can predict how this one's going to end.  8(8-))

https://www.facebook.com/MissingPersonsCasesNetwork/posts/390559911804189

Offline Wonderfulspam

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« Reply #5844 on: June 26, 2019, 01:42:23 PM »
Mother has previous. I think we can predict how this one's going to end.  8(8-))

https://www.facebook.com/MissingPersonsCasesNetwork/posts/390559911804189

I didn't want to jump the gun but this story did sound a bit off to me.

No mention so far of the status of the trailer, whether doors windows were locked or discovered open.

.............

'Police also have a presence at Bethel Landfill just in case their search leads them there. We're told this is a "preliminary step” but that they’re taking pictures there now to “preserve and identify potential areas that may be of future evidentiary value.”

Trash collection is temporarily suspended in the immediate search area.'
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Offline Lace

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #5845 on: June 26, 2019, 01:47:06 PM »
Wasn't the USA training better than the UK for the USA trained their dogs on human cadaver parts but the UK dogs were trained only on decomposed piglets.

What happened to the saying 'You can't train an old dog new tricks?'

Offline pathfinder73

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« Reply #5846 on: June 28, 2019, 09:37:57 PM »
Investigator: Cadaver dogs alert on human remains at campground where DeOrr Kunz Jr. disappeared

Private investigator David Marshburn told KTVB authorities may have finally gotten the break in the case they have been waiting for.

Author: KTVB Staff
Published: 2:27 PM MDT June 27, 2019
Updated: 7:50 AM MDT June 28, 2019

LEADORE, Idaho — A pair of dogs specially trained to detect human remains have alerted on an area in the Lemhi County campground where an Idaho toddler vanished without a trace nearly four years ago, according to a private investigator.

DeOrr Kunz Jr., 2, went missing during a family trip to Timber Creek Campground near Leadore on July 10, 2015. Extensive searches of the area have turned up no sign of the boy.

But on Thursday, North Carolina-based private investigator David Marshburn told KTVB authorities may have gotten the break in the case they have been waiting for.

Marshburn said he was asked by family friends and community members to take the case. He said he took his two trained cadaver dogs up to the Timber Creek Campground June 8, searching the area for about a week. He said he was accompanied by Lemhi County Sheriff Steve Penner during the searches.

It took some time for his dogs to acclimatize to the thinner mountain air, Marshburn said, but on the third day, both dogs separately performed "a hard alert" on a specific area of the campground, indicating the presence of a body or remains. The dogs have been trained only to alert on human remains, not a decomposing animal, he said.

According to Marshburn, his dogs are trained only with human cadavers, human bone and teeth so they only alert to human remains. He also added that the dogs are trained to detect remains up to six feet underground.

“Our dogs are cadaver dogs," he explained. "They find cadaver scent – human cadaver scent. So when they do an alert we are pretty confident that they’re finding remains of a human. But are we saying, or can we say it’s 100 percent DeOrr? No. Can we say it’s an Indian from way back? No. We don’t know what’s 100 percent there, we just know the confidence in our dogs that there is human remains of some sort there – it’s just, 'What?'”

The private investigator acknowledged the remains his dogs smelled could belong to someone other than the missing 2-year-old. But Marshburn stressed he was hired to locate DeOrr, and said he believes he has accomplished that.

 "I feel it, the closure that everybody needed," he said. After Marshburn's dogs' alert, Penner also brought in an independent cadaver dog, which alerted on the same area of the campground, he said. Marshburn would not say specifically where in the campground the dogs alerted.

The next steps will be up to the Lemhi County Sheriff's Office and local law enforcement to identify exactly what the dogs found.

“I know my dogs and I know what we do and they have their past history of finding people and I’m pretty confident – we feel we have got what we need," Marshburn told KTVB. "And we went back and now the sheriff’s office has got to do their part.”

Marshburn owns a nonprofit called Search For Me Foundation, which deals with missing persons cases. To date, Marshburn said he and his dogs have been part of helping solve 13 cases.

He tells KTVB community members raised $1,900 to bring Marshburn and his team to Idaho to help with the case. The rest of the  expenses were paid for out-of-pocket by he and his wife.

The Lemhi County Sheriff's Office announced Wednesday that the Timber Creek Campground will be closed Friday, June 28 through the weekend for a search connected to the DeOrr case.

The campsite was searched with cadaver dogs in the weeks after DeOrr went missing in 2015, but those dogs came up empty.

Former Lemhi County Sheriff Lynn Bowerman has said publicly that he believes DeOrr is dead and that he considers the toddler's parents to be suspects, a body has not been recovered, and no charges have ever been filed.
 
https://www.ktvb.com/article/news/investigator-cadaver-dogs-alert-on-human-remains-at-campground-where-deorr-kunz-jr-disappeared/277-b9dedc16-1e4d-4a63-b401-20b212b2f770
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Vertigo Swirl

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« Reply #5847 on: June 28, 2019, 10:10:22 PM »
So one set of cadaver dogs is wrong, which set?  The 2015 ones or the 2019 ones?
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Wonderfulspam

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« Reply #5848 on: June 28, 2019, 10:22:51 PM »
So one set of cadaver dogs is wrong, which set?  The 2015 ones or the 2019 ones?

There were cadaver dog alerts in 2015.

"Today we’re going to announce that there was a cadaver dog interaction with certain equipment at the site and that cadaver dog did hit positive. I can’t go any further than that other than we do have a dog that did hit in the initial two weeks of the primary investigation."

https://www.eastidahonews.com/2016/03/kunz-investigator-jessica-mitchell-knows-where-deorrs-body-is/
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Offline pathfinder73

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« Reply #5849 on: June 28, 2019, 10:27:30 PM »
Chance the cadaver dog also alerted at the camp ground June 2016.

https://www.eastidahonews.com/2016/07/private-investigator-issues-lengthy-report-deorr-kunz-case/
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.