Wandering Off Topic

[Brietta]

I can't see why the particular evidence mentioned would be relevant.

It probably wasn't except for elimination purposes.  The problem would have been that what was recognised by law enforcement as a very useful investigative tool was not utilised as it should have been ... a bit like being unable to see the wood for the trees.

[Eleanor]

It probably wasn't except for elimination purposes.  The problem would have been that what was recognised by law enforcement as a very useful investigative tool was not utilised as it should have been ... a bit like being unable to see the wood for the trees.

Or perhaps some Phone Records that they didn't want looked at.

[barrier]

I don't ... nor do I remember them telling anyone else.

Mark Rowley talking about phone data in relation to the four suspects (Arguido's) in 2014

MR: So that phone data is always something we will look at and we wouldn’t have had it available if
the Portuguese had not got hold of it at the time so we need to be careful about criticism. But we had
the data available and we worked with the Portuguese and that was part of the background to do with
phone data and various sightings. There was enough there to say, not to prove the case, but there
was something worth looking at in more detail and that’s what we did.

[Brietta]

Or perhaps some Phone Records that they didn't want looked at.

There is that.
I think the conspiracy theorists might very well have dipped their poison pens into overdrive into the wrong conspiracy.

[Brietta]

Mark Rowley talking about phone data in relation to the four suspects (Arguido's) in 2014

MR: So that phone data is always something we will look at and we wouldn’t have had it available if
the Portuguese had not got hold of it at the time so we need to be careful about criticism. But we had
the data available and we worked with the Portuguese and that was part of the background to do with
phone data and various sightings. There was enough there to say, not to prove the case, but there
was something worth looking at in more detail and that’s what we did.

                 Quite.

[barrier]

                 Quite.

Yep it proved worthless as it happened,save to drag 4 innocents into the saga.

[barrier]

There is that.
I think the conspiracy theorists might very well have dipped their poison pens into overdrive into the wrong conspiracy.

Indeed.

[G-Unit]

It probably wasn't except for elimination purposes.  The problem would have been that what was recognised by law enforcement as a very useful investigative tool was not utilised as it should have been ... a bit like being unable to see the wood for the trees.

Unless someone can explain why phone calls between Mark Warner in London and Greentrust in PdL might be of interest there's no point in suggesting that the information should have been collected imo.

[G-Unit]

Case knowledge doesn't matter to those who have already decided what happened. This can be seen everywhere, not just on here. So many commentators have shown this lack of knowledge; the authors of books, ex-policemen, newspaper journalists and documentary makers. Most of them are long on opinion and short on facts imo.

[Mr Gray]

Case knowledge doesn't matter to those who have already decided what happened. This can be seen everywhere, not just on here. So many commentators have shown this lack of knowledge; the authors of books, ex-policemen, newspaper journalists and documentary makers. Most of them are long on opinion and short on facts imo.

Could you give an example of any case knowledge you have that has any bearing on our understanding of what happened.

[Anthro]

In the newspapers today:

‘Missing Madeleine McCann is alive and living under a new identity with a Germany family, a psychic who works with police has sensationally claimed.

... However, psychic Fia Johansson – who has reportedly worked with US law enforcement agencies on missing person cases – believes the girl is alive and well.

Fia told Daily Star Online: “She’s alive, I can see that she is in Germany. She has no clue about her other family. She was very little, she doesn’t remember anything about the family.”

Madeleine was supposedly kidnapped by a German child trafficker who has since been imprisoned, Fia claims.  Two years after being taken, a woman from the crime gang took pity on her and helped her escape, Fia added.

The psychic initially made this staggering allegation back in October.

A month later, former Portuguese chief Goncalo Amaral claimed the new suspect is a jailed German paedophile who talked about killing Maddie in an internet chat room.

Fia claims that Maddie’s new parents are in their 70s and 80s, living somewhere in the state of Koln with a common German surname and another adopted daughter of a similar age.

Her name has also apparently been changed to Melanie, and she has light blonde hair.

Fia added: “She’s very much inter-connected with music and dance, she has an amazing, beautiful voice.

“She will find her own family by accident. My prediction is that she will find them by 2022 to 2024 by herself, because she’s going to be very famous in singing.

“She’s always trying to help other people, she has a golden heart. The good news is, she doesn’t remember the trauma.”

Fia believes that Madeleine was taken to two countries before ending up in Germany, and didn’t come to any harm.

Fearing repercussions due to the widespread media coverage of the case, one of the gang members apparently panicked and freed her.

Fia claims: “There was lady, I can feel it – around the age of 45 or 47 – who almost pushed Madeline away. I think the reason they couldn’t sell Madeleine right away was the publicity.

“It was too risky, everybody was talking about her, so they pushed Madeleine away.”

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/madeleine-mccann-alive-germany-now-21146667

[Miss Taken Identity]

In the newspapers today:

‘Missing Madeleine McCann is alive and living under a new identity with a Germany family, a psychic who works with police has sensationally claimed.

... However, psychic Fia Johansson – who has reportedly worked with US law enforcement agencies on missing person cases – believes the girl is alive and well.

Fia told Daily Star Online: “She’s alive, I can see that she is in Germany. She has no clue about her other family. She was very little, she doesn’t remember anything about the family.”

Madeleine was supposedly kidnapped by a German child trafficker who has since been imprisoned, Fia claims.  Two years after being taken, a woman from the crime gang took pity on her and helped her escape, Fia added.

The psychic initially made this staggering allegation back in October.

A month later, former Portuguese chief Goncalo Amaral claimed the new suspect is a jailed German paedophile who talked about killing Maddie in an internet chat room.

Fia claims that Maddie’s new parents are in their 70s and 80s, living somewhere in the state of Koln with a common German surname and another adopted daughter of a similar age.

Her name has also apparently been changed to Melanie, and she has light blonde hair.

Fia added: “She’s very much inter-connected with music and dance, she has an amazing, beautiful voice.

“She will find her own family by accident. My prediction is that she will find them by 2022 to 2024 by herself, because she’s going to be very famous in singing.

“She’s always trying to help other people, she has a golden heart. The good news is, she doesn’t remember the trauma.”

Fia believes that Madeleine was taken to two countries before ending up in Germany, and didn’t come to any harm.

Fearing repercussions due to the widespread media coverage of the case, one of the gang members apparently panicked and freed her.

Fia claims: “There was lady, I can feel it – around the age of 45 or 47 – who almost pushed Madeline away. I think the reason they couldn’t sell Madeleine right away was the publicity.

“It was too risky, everybody was talking about her, so they pushed Madeleine away.”

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/madeleine-mccann-alive-germany-now-21146667

Interesting. Another one of those was willing to reveal her grave- free of charge!

[Wonderfulspam]

Interesting. Another one of those was willing to reveal her grave- free of charge!

What gets me with these psychics is, they can see all this nonsense like who she's living with & that's she's going to be a famous singer & blah blah blah. But what they can never see is her home address & telephone number.

[Miss Taken Identity]

What gets me with these psychics is, they can see all this nonsense like who she's living with & that's she's going to be a famous singer & blah blah blah. But what they can never see is her home address & telephone number.

Aw but to be fair  she did tell us the child had a real German Name  as she lived in Germany.
 What are the chances she had a 'french name living in Germany? 

Now all we need is the actual name she has been given... AND where abouts in Germany. Sorted!

[misty]

On a German theme, here's a report from just yesterday about a 15yr old boy who was found alive in the hands of a suspected German paedophile 2 years after he was reported missing.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/boy-15-missing-two-years-21150007

A Chicago baby stolen 55 years ago has also reportedly been located via DNA Ancestry.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/paul-fronczak-chicago-baby-kidnapped-in-1964-reportedly-found/