Wandering Off Topic

[Mr Gray]

You have no idea?
How, given that you think he killed her, did he manage that if she didn't enter the building, bearing in mind the timings are quite specific?

more info needed....what do his colleagues say about his presence at work that day

[The General]

more info needed....what do his colleagues say about his presence at work that day

His mate talked to him at 09.03 and said he looked like boiled shite and looked like he'd slept in a hedge. (My words, not his). He'd been 'exerting himself', I believe was the phrase, which I don't take to mean he'd been cracking one out in the bog.

[pathfinder73]

The conviction stands but the admissibility of the alerts doesn't... That's, what's interesting

this is what you posted on the subject..

The dog alerts suggested that she entered the building and died there. That's why it was one of the important components of the circumstantial evidence collected. All the components combined suggested what had happened.

the alerts were not circumstantial evidence....They were eventually ruled as inadmissable....a fact supported by Prof Cassella , a collegue of Grime from Staffs university. Cassella had quite a bit to say about them...none of it supportive. The alerts in the McCann case should therefore be seen in the same light

How surveillance society solved a murder with no body
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-17727255

The key evidence came from the dog

[Mr Gray]

How surveillance society solved a murder with no body
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-17727255

The key evidence came from the dog

Then his appeal may be successful as the alerts should not have been admitted as evidence. The more his conviction relies on the dog alerts the more chance jhe has of a successful appeal

[Vertigo Swirl]

I get it. Because this, that. I know you can't go on record as stating that these alerts corroborate, because that would be you contradicting yourself. But these alerts are more compelling, irrespective of the 'unconscious cue' argument, as we're 'almost sure' (cross thread skills), actually way more than that, she was killed right there and stored there for a time.

Conversely, if you're looking for an example of someone who can hold their nerve and lie in a world class manner and be somewhat convincing, then this guy......

No, even if she had been killed right there and stored for a time and the dogs subsequently alerted we still can’t be sure that the dogs weren’t unconsciously  cued or that they actually detected cadaver odour. 

[pathfinder73]

Robbie Coltrane's Critical Evidence S02 - Ep08 Into Thin Air David Gilroy

23:25 "The cadaver dogs provided critical evidence."

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6pimmf

[Mr Gray]

Robbie Coltrane's Critical Evidence S02 - Ep08 Into Thin Air David Gilroy

23:25 "The cadaver dogs provided critical evidence."

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6pimmf

you quote Coltrane.....I quote Prof Cassella. Do you realise who Cassellla is?

[Vertigo Swirl]

LOL at Robbie Coltrane.  Is that Hagrid now a dog expert?

[pathfinder73]

you quote Coltrane.....I quote Prof Cassella. Do you realise who Cassellla is?

Gilroy is guilty case closed! It's a very good series.

https://www.crimeandinvestigation.co.uk/shows/robbie-coltranes-critical-evidence

When there’s a murder with no suspect, no leads and perhaps not even a body, that’s when investigators face their toughest test. Evidence must be gathered. Evidence must be analysed. But evidence is worthless if it can’t be pinned to a suspect... Most murder victims knew the person that killed them. That's why homicide, in many cases, is a straightforward crime to solve. Yet 20% of UK homicides are classified as “circumstances unknown”. In this series, Robbie Coltrane reveals eight of the hardest, most complex and baffling murder cases ever to be investigated by British police. The focus of each programme is the trail of evidence: how it was discovered, what it meant and how it became critical to crack the case. With interviews from the lead investigators and forensic specialists, many speaking for the first time, Robbie reveals the astonishing twists and turns of often stranger-than-fiction cases. It is a record of the detectives’ art: using skill and determination to solve seemingly unsolvable cases – because the only difference between success and failure is critical evidence.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Gilroy is guilty case closed! It's a very good series.

https://www.crimeandinvestigation.co.uk/shows/robbie-coltranes-critical-evidence

When there’s a murder with no suspect, no leads and perhaps not even a body, that’s when investigators face their toughest test. Evidence must be gathered. Evidence must be analysed. But evidence is worthless if it can’t be pinned to a suspect... Most murder victims knew the person that killed them. That's why homicide, in many cases, is a straightforward crime to solve. Yet 20% of UK homicides are classified as “circumstances unknown”. In this series, Robbie Coltrane reveals eight of the hardest, most complex and baffling murder cases ever to be investigated by British police. The focus of each programme is the trail of evidence: how it was discovered, what it meant and how it became critical to crack the case. With interviews from the lead investigators and forensic specialists, many speaking for the first time, Robbie reveals the astonishing twists and turns of often stranger-than-fiction cases. It is a record of the detectives’ art: using skill and determination to solve seemingly unsolvable cases – because the only difference between success and failure is critical evidence.

So do you think Professor Cassella is talking shite then?

[pathfinder73]

Of course. It's obvious as to what the cadaver dogs were alerting to in this case (Gilroy's garage parking space, car boot). And other evidence corroborates it.

[G-Unit]

I see Martin Grime is now an Honourary Research Fellow at the School of Science and Technology, Nottingham Trent University as well as the School of Law, Policing and Forensics, Staffordshire University.  His knowledge and experience are in demand, it seems.

[Vertigo Swirl]

I see Martin Grime is now an Honourary Research Fellow at the School of Science and Technology, Nottingham Trent University as well as the School of Law, Policing and Forensics, Staffordshire University.  His knowledge and experience are in demand, it seems.

He has been for some time.  John Cassella is a professor of Forensic Science at Staffs where Grime is an Honorary research fellow.

[Mr Gray]

I see Martin Grime is now an Honourary Research Fellow at the School of Science and Technology, Nottingham Trent University as well as the School of Law, Policing and Forensics, Staffordshire University.  His knowledge and experience are in demand, it seems.

And the professor there. Prof Cassella....who is very critical of the alerts when no forensic evidence is found...he also wrote the introduction to grimes white paper. Do you have  a cite that Grime is in demand.....I dont see it.

[Eleanor]

And the professor there. Prof Cassella....who is very critical of the alerts when no forensic evidence is found...he also wrote the introduction to grimes white paper. Do you have  a cite that Grime is in demand.....I dont see it.

Grime might be in demand in America, although we haven't seen much evidence of that lately.

No evidence at all that he is in demand in England.

Martin Grime is a grand stander for his own financial gain.  In My Opinion.