Wandering Off Topic

[Icanhandlethetruth]

So, is it  your opinion that the dog alerts in PdL suggest that Madeleine's corpse was in the hire car?

Why ask me, I am neither a trained dog handler or on a jury where such evidence is presented. It would depend on how the evidence was presented during trial.

[Mr Gray]

We are reliably informed that Keela alerted ONLY to blood.  Therefore the deduction is simple.  The fact that the trace came back from the lab having tested positive for one of the very alive drivers of the car again the deduction is simple.

That apparently was Keela's purpose.  She eliminated 'the scent of death' if she also alerted where Eddie did - bearing the very important distinction that before he became the only 'enhanced 'dog in the world Eddie was a VRD an would react to blood.

None so blind though.

Keela only alerted to blood dried in situ... Eddie alerted to blood where there was, an attempt at a clean up... So an alert by Eddie and not by Keela could still be blood.... According  to Grime

[Brietta]

I think you may have mentioned the bit about Grime and Harrison before and it seems their unqualified opinion was wrong as there is a trial going ahead right now in the UK where a dog alert has been heard in open court. That's the fact.
I thought it was common knowledge that the shell was presented to Eddie and he alerted, but the only way to say if the alert was incorrect is in controlled lab conditions. Coconut shell is quite porous and I would suggest that odours would have been absorbed by such an item. Or maybe Eddie was wrong and he believed he detected the scent for which he was trained, which wasn’t there.

Perhaps you are not familiar with the visit to Jersey.
Please check out the video of Eddie alerting to every nook and cranny of Haute de la Garenne to inform your opinion.

[Icanhandlethetruth]

I think it's highly possible that the Getmsns have proof Maffie did not die in the apartment... If that's the case how can the alerts be explained

If the Germans do have strong proof that Maddie didn’t die in the apartment then that would trump the weaker evidence of the dog alert and so other avenues would need to be explored, pre-contamination, handler error or broken dog.

[Icanhandlethetruth]

The fact is Grime was told it was human and Eddie alerted..
It wasn't human at all.  So then all the excuses start.

I'll have a look at the current trial... In this case it seems the hsndlet is supporting the alert... Grime and Harrison didnt

You say you are a scientist, but can you say with 100% accuracy that Eddie gave a false alert in Jersey?

[Icanhandlethetruth]

Perhaps you are not familiar with the visit to Jersey.
Please check out the video of Eddie alerting to every nook and cranny of Haute de la Garenne to inform your opinion.

I am familiar with Hautte de la Garenne. Was it a good idea to run a cadaver dog through such an old building where I am sure many people have died of natural causes. I would say no. The thinking was flawed. But it doesn’t prove that Eddie was wrong.

[Mr Gray]

I am familiar with Hautte de la Garenne. Was it a good idea to run a cadaver dog through such an old building where I am sure many people have died of natural causes. I would say no. The thinking was flawed. But it doesn’t prove that Eddie was wrong.

Its impossible to prove Eddie wrong....hes watertight...The Teflon Dog..

Im reasonably sure MM did not die in the apartment but Grime will be able to com eup with  areason for Eddie alerting

[Mr Gray]

You say you are a scientist, but can you say with 100% accuracy that Eddie gave a false alert in Jersey?

I think its alraedy been said that the coconut could have fallen on someones head and killed them....so I cant say 100% Eddie was wrong. Just as we cant say theres not a Yellow celestial teapot in such an orbit that its invisible from earth

[Mr Gray]

Why ask me, I am neither a trained dog handler or on a jury where such evidence is presented. It would depend on how the evidence was presented during trial.

its  ashame the PJ didnt realise that...they took it as fact

[Brietta]

I am familiar with Hautte de la Garenne. Was it a good idea to run a cadaver dog through such an old building where I am sure many people have died of natural causes. I would say no. The thinking was flawed. But it doesn’t prove that Eddie was wrong.

Then you will know there was no evidence found that anyone had died there.  The dog did alert to an area where it was established that cremated remains were found ~ as well as evidence of sexual activity.

This cadaver dog thing just isn't the exact science it has been claimed to be though, is it?

[Icanhandlethetruth]

I think its alraedy been said that the coconut could have fallen on someones head and killed them....so I cant say 100% Eddie was wrong. Just as we cant say theres not a Yellow celestial teapot in such an orbit that its invisible from earth

Not really the sort of answer I would expect from a learned man of science. Do you believe in the possibilty of a Yellow celestial teapot or even the only way the coconut could make a dog alert is if it fell on someone's head?

[Brietta]

Why ask me, I am neither a trained dog handler or on a jury where such evidence is presented. It would depend on how the evidence was presented during trial.

I think you may have hit the nail on the head there.  The Judicial Police were less than impressed with Eddie's performance of alerting only after numerous passes where he had failed to do so.

In my opinion there was not the slightest possibility of Eddie's alerts being put before a jury for the simple reason there was absolutely no evidence to support them.  And when there was such as the key fob - it was easily explained by forensics.

[Icanhandlethetruth]

Its impossible to prove Eddie wrong....hes watertight...The Teflon Dog..

Im reasonably sure MM did not die in the apartment but Grime will be able to com eup with  areason for Eddie alerting

Well it is now as he is long gone. The only way to test the validity of any dog alert is in controlled conditions. I believe a Grimes dog(Morse) was tested before the Lane cane and scored 95%to 100% accuracy in controlled conditions.
From People v Lane November 2013

“Grime submitted Morse and Keela's training reports into evidence. Over the course of 49 tests, Morse gave no false negative or false positive responses to tests in controlled environments. He gave one “unexplained” response, which was a single bark in a “blank” room. Morse scored 100 percent in tests on December 2 and December 6, 2011. Morse was tested on variety of dates between January 21, 2011, and February 13, 2013. Morse scored 100 percent in all but one test, on which he scored 95 to 100 percent. Morse did not give false positive responses to animal remains during his tests.

[Brietta]

Well it is now as he is long gone. The only way to test the validity of any dog alert is in controlled conditions. I believe a Grimes dog(Morse) was tested before the Lane cane and scored 95%to 100% accuracy in controlled conditions.
From People v Lane November 2013

“Grime submitted Morse and Keela's training reports into evidence. Over the course of 49 tests, Morse gave no false negative or false positive responses to tests in controlled environments. He gave one “unexplained” response, which was a single bark in a “blank” room. Morse scored 100 percent in tests on December 2 and December 6, 2011. Morse was tested on variety of dates between January 21, 2011, and February 13, 2013. Morse scored 100 percent in all but one test, on which he scored 95 to 100 percent. Morse did not give false positive responses to animal remains during his tests.

Have you ever seen records of Eddie's training reports short of what Martin Grime has said?

[Icanhandlethetruth]

Have you ever seen records of Eddie's training reports short of what Martin Grime has said?

No but I trust Martin Grime to be a competent trainer of such dogs. Why wouldn't I? I am sure he knows more about it then me.