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Offline misty

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #2550 on: November 29, 2017, 10:21:52 PM »
Now compare those sentences to this.

http://portugalresident.com/young-welsh-woman-left-%E2%80%9Chigh-and-dry%E2%80%9D-in-portuguese-jail-receives-6-month-suspended-sentence
Posted by PORTUGALPRESS on November 29, 2017

The nightmare may at last be over for 25-year-old Sophie Grey - but her family are outraged by the six-month suspended jail sentence she has finally received after being left “high and dry” in a Portuguese jail for four and a half months.

Father Roger told the family’s hometown newspaper the South Wales Argus earlier this week that they are considering seeking compensation.

“I think she was imprisoned illegally”, he told the paper.

Sophie’s plight only made it into the press in July, when her family were at their wits end with the difficulties put their way (click here).

Sophie had been arrested after her boyfriend and another man were involved in what was described as an “altercation” with police in Praia das Maças, a seaside town near Sintra.

Her family said she was not even aware of her crime when she was arrested, but due to the fact that she had no permanent address in Portugal, or anyone to vouch for her, she was remanded in custody.

“She’s in a cell with four other people. The first person she met that could speak English was a murderer”, Roger Grey told reporters at the time.

After pressure from local Welsh MP David Davies who was said to have contacted Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson, the story made it into national and international press.

As David Davies explained: “In the UK this sort of crime wouldn’t have been dealt with like this. One of the charges appears to be for shouting at a police officer, so I am concerned”.

Sophie was finally released on August 18 - when the family told their local paper that they were still “no clearer” of the charges she faced.

Her release was made on the understanding that she remained in Portugal until the trial date.

That came up at long last at Sintra court, and the sentences have finally been given: six months’ suspended for Sophie for hitting a police agent who, according to Sophie’s father, admitted in court that she did not mean to hit him “she was just flailing her arms around”.

“I think it was a very harsh sentence for what happened”, Roger Grey told the South Wales Argus.

His daughter was acquitted of two other charges, added the paper, not explaining what these charges were but stressing that the family had hoped she was be acquitted on all the charges.

Sophie’s unnamed boyfriend and the other man were also handed suspended sentences (three years each), and ordered to pay fines reaching €9000, reports Correio da Manhã today.

Despite being unhappy about the court’s decision, Sophie’s family are clearly relieved that they have reached the point where their daughter can finally return home.

Her father told reporters that he hopes Sophie will be back in Wales within the next “two to three weeks”.

Offline G-Unit

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #2551 on: November 29, 2017, 10:54:29 PM »
She seems to have received a sentence similar to the one she would have been given in the UK, and she's lucky it was suspended imo. The men got bigger sentences, which suggests their crime was more serious. Assaulting a policeman isn't a good idea in any country because it's a serious offence. I wonder why she's not returning home immediately?
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Offline Brietta

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #2552 on: November 29, 2017, 11:10:20 PM »
British woman, 25, is forced to spend five months in a Portuguese prison awaiting trial for assaulting a police officer after 'begging him not to shoot her dog'
Sophie Grey, 25, from Wales, detained in Portuguese prison over row over pet 
Miss Grey accused of assaulting policeman who 'threatened her dog with a gun'
Full-time carer now faces up to five years in prison and is being held in custody
MP David Davies, for Monmouth,  is calling on Portuguese officials to release her

By Katie French For Mailonline
PUBLISHED: 11:51, 11 August 2017 | UPDATED: 18:07, 11 August 2017
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4781566/British-woman-forced-spend-months-Portuguese-prison.html#ixzz4zrgO6KYm

Brits and their dogs huh?
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline John

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #2553 on: December 02, 2017, 10:25:35 PM »
British woman, 25, is forced to spend five months in a Portuguese prison awaiting trial for assaulting a police officer after 'begging him not to shoot her dog'
Sophie Grey, 25, from Wales, detained in Portuguese prison over row over pet 
Miss Grey accused of assaulting policeman who 'threatened her dog with a gun'
Full-time carer now faces up to five years in prison and is being held in custody
MP David Davies, for Monmouth,  is calling on Portuguese officials to release her

By Katie French For Mailonline
PUBLISHED: 11:51, 11 August 2017 | UPDATED: 18:07, 11 August 2017
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4781566/British-woman-forced-spend-months-Portuguese-prison.html#ixzz4zrgO6KYm

Brits and their dogs huh?

I don't know about Portuguese cops but if you attack a Spanish policeman expect to be put down.  I recall seeing a middle aged British man on crutches being beaten with sticks because he gave a Guardia Civil officer some cheek. She deserves all she got in my opinion, when you visit another country you should behave.
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline sadie

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #2554 on: December 02, 2017, 10:43:17 PM »
Now compare those sentences to this.

http://portugalresident.com/young-welsh-woman-left-%E2%80%9Chigh-and-dry%E2%80%9D-in-portuguese-jail-receives-6-month-suspended-sentence
Posted by PORTUGALPRESS on November 29, 2017

The nightmare may at last be over for 25-year-old Sophie Grey - but her family are outraged by the six-month suspended jail sentence she has finally received after being left “high and dry” in a Portuguese jail for four and a half months.

Father Roger told the family’s hometown newspaper the South Wales Argus earlier this week that they are considering seeking compensation.

“I think she was imprisoned illegally”, he told the paper.

Sophie’s plight only made it into the press in July, when her family were at their wits end with the difficulties put their way (click here).

Sophie had been arrested after her boyfriend and another man were involved in what was described as an “altercation” with police in Praia das Maças, a seaside town near Sintra.

Her family said she was not even aware of her crime when she was arrested, but due to the fact that she had no permanent address in Portugal, or anyone to vouch for her, she was remanded in custody.

“She’s in a cell with four other people. The first person she met that could speak English was a murderer”, Roger Grey told reporters at the time.

After pressure from local Welsh MP David Davies who was said to have contacted Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson, the story made it into national and international press.

As David Davies explained: “In the UK this sort of crime wouldn’t have been dealt with like this. One of the charges appears to be for shouting at a police officer, so I am concerned”.

Sophie was finally released on August 18 - when the family told their local paper that they were still “no clearer” of the charges she faced.

Her release was made on the understanding that she remained in Portugal until the trial date.

That came up at long last at Sintra court, and the sentences have finally been given: six months’ suspended for Sophie for hitting a police agent who, according to Sophie’s father, admitted in court that she did not mean to hit him “she was just flailing her arms around”.

“I think it was a very harsh sentence for what happened”, Roger Grey told the South Wales Argus.

His daughter was acquitted of two other charges, added the paper, not explaining what these charges were but stressing that the family had hoped she was be acquitted on all the charges.

Sophie’s unnamed boyfriend and the other man were also handed suspended sentences (three years each), and ordered to pay fines reaching €9000, reports Correio da Manhã today.

Despite being unhappy about the court’s decision, Sophie’s family are clearly relieved that they have reached the point where their daughter can finally return home.

Her father told reporters that he hopes Sophie will be back in Wales within the next “two to three weeks”.
We only have one side of the story, but from the sounds of it the sentence along with the stay in prison were totally disproportionate.  No wonder her family was upset.

So this is another example of Portuguese so called Justice, is it ?   Thank goodness we live in the UK

FGS !

Offline slartibartfast

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #2555 on: December 03, 2017, 05:25:34 PM »
We only have one side of the story, but from the sounds of it the sentence along with the stay in prison were totally disproportionate.  No wonder her family was upset.

So this is another example of Portuguese so called Justice, is it ?   Thank goodness we live in the UK

FGS !

As John says if you go to another country expect to live by their laws and ways.
“Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired”.

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #2556 on: December 03, 2017, 08:48:52 PM »
Authorities think they have found body of missing 3-year-old NC girl, FBI says

(CNN)Authorities believe they have found the body of Mariah Woods, a 3-year-old eastern North Carolina girl missing for more than five days, the FBI said Saturday.

The body was found Saturday evening in Pender County by a dive team, Shelley Lynch, with the FBI in Charlotte, said.

The mother's live-in boyfriend was charged Saturday in connection with her disappearance, authorities said earlier.
Earl Kimrey, 32, was being held on more than $1 million bond at the Onslow County Detention Center following his arrest for concealing a death, obstruction of justice and other charges, the Onslow County Sheriff's Office said.

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/12/02/us/north-carolina-missing-girl-arrest/index.html
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #2557 on: December 03, 2017, 09:25:21 PM »
As John says if you go to another country expect to live by their laws and ways.

yes...all that fuss about the lady in Iran

Offline Erngath

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #2558 on: December 03, 2017, 09:33:50 PM »
yes...all that fuss about the lady in Iran

And the young American held in North Korea.
I suppose he should have lived by their laws.
What was his crime ?
Deal with the failings of others as gently as with your own.

Offline Brietta

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #2559 on: December 05, 2017, 04:17:57 PM »
Judges of controversial ruling will have disciplinary process
05 DECEMBER 2017

In the grounds of the judgment, domestic violence against women is minimized by the fact that she has committed adultery

The judges responsible for the judgment of the Court of Appeal of Porto that invoked the Bible, the Penal Code of 1886 and even civilizations that punish adultery with the death penalty to justify a decision will be subject to a disciplinary process, the Expresso advances. According to the online edition of this publication, the Superior Council of Magistracy met today and decided to convert the investigation into a disciplinary process.

https://www.dn.pt/portugal/interior/juizes-do-acordao-polemico-vao-ter-processo-disciplinar-8964994.html?utm_source=Push&utm_medium=Web

(In update)
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

stephen25000

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Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #2560 on: December 05, 2017, 04:30:31 PM »
We only have one side of the story, but from the sounds of it the sentence along with the stay in prison were totally disproportionate.  No wonder her family was upset.

So this is another example of Portuguese so called Justice, is it ?   Thank goodness we live in the UK

FGS !

How about referring yo miscarriages of justice in the UK ?


Or do you prefer just to attack Portugal ?

Offline Brietta

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #2561 on: December 05, 2017, 04:39:48 PM »
How about referring yo miscarriages of justice in the UK ?


Or do you prefer just to attack Portugal ?

You have a very strange notion indeed of what attacking Portugal actually is.  The people of Portugal  have the right and deserve protection from corrupt police and incompetent judges and from my reading of press and blogs they applaud the forces of law and order who undertake the very difficult task of ensuring they get that measure of protection.

Portugal is on the up and up as far as weeding out what is left of what in my opinion has been a very corrupt establishment indeed ... I for one welcome every victory achieved in that task.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

stephen25000

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Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #2562 on: December 05, 2017, 04:44:00 PM »
You have a very strange notion indeed of what attacking Portugal actually is.  The people of Portugal  have the right and deserve protection from corrupt police and incompetent judges and from my reading of press and blogs they applaud the forces of law and order who undertake the very difficult task of ensuring they get that measure of protection.

Portugal is on the up and up as far as weeding out what is left of what in my opinion has been a very corrupt establishment indeed ... I for one welcome every victory achieved in that task.

The same applies to miscarriages of justice in all countries , NOT JUST PORTUGAL .

Offline Benice

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #2563 on: December 06, 2017, 09:37:18 AM »
You have a very strange notion indeed of what attacking Portugal actually is.  The people of Portugal  have the right and deserve protection from corrupt police and incompetent judges and from my reading of press and blogs they applaud the forces of law and order who undertake the very difficult task of ensuring they get that measure of protection.

Portugal is on the up and up as far as weeding out what is left of what in my opinion has been a very corrupt establishment indeed ... I for one welcome every victory achieved in that task.

I totally agree.  It seems to me that some 'attitudes' in PT have been very similar to the attitudes of some of our own police (and judiciary) 40 or 50 years ago - where a policeman's word was taken over Joe Blogs almost as a matter of course. 

IIRC Robert Murat described his 'interviews' by the PJ as.....  'Like something out of Life on Mars'.  Having never watched the prog. I didn't know what he meant at the time.   Now that I have watched the 'repeats' I am reminded of the amount of intimidation - including violence- which was perpetrated in some police stations - to get a result.

IMO if it wasn't for his UK nationality and the fact that the eyes of the world were watching - there is more than a small chance that he would now be in prison.

PT is a very young democracy in the scheme of things but it's encouraging to know that they are now taking steps to eliminate these 'old habits'.    Hopefully addressing the miscarriages of justice which must have happened because of corrupt policemen and incompetent judges will also not be too far away.
AIMHO
The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

stephen25000

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Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #2564 on: December 06, 2017, 09:43:26 AM »
Just to balance the situation.

'Serious corruption has happened in our justice system - and the penalties could stand to be harsher'

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/serious-corruption-has-happened-in-our-justice-system-and-the-penalties-could-stand-to-be-harsher-a6694346.html

'The shocking truth about police corruption in Britain
It’s a growing problem.

But they’re hunting whistleblowers instead'

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2015/03/the-shocking-truth-about-police-corruption-in-britain/

'Police officers 'removed from duties' over baton footage in Birmingham'

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jul/31/birmingham-video-of-police-kicking-man-during-search-being-investigated

P.S. There is an abundant number of other sources on these issues as well.
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