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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #2730 on: December 16, 2017, 11:30:57 AM »
The team after Amaral, could not find evidence of anything to charge anyone.

Nothing has changed.
correct ........no evidence to charge the mccanns

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Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #2731 on: December 16, 2017, 11:31:57 AM »
correct ........no evidence to charge the mccanns

NO evidence to charge anyone davel, and no evidence of abduction either.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #2732 on: December 16, 2017, 11:33:22 AM »
NO evidence to charge anyone davel, and no evidence of abduction either.

can you give a cite for no evidence of abduction

Offline G-Unit

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #2733 on: December 16, 2017, 11:39:12 AM »
I dont think the UK investigation team are at all happy with amaral seeing as he was sacked for criticising them...imo. It was the team after amaral who decided the mccanns had no case to answer

It was the team after Amaral who, following the refusal of the group to take part in the reconstitution, decided there was nothing more they could do.

Therefore, as we do not envision, at the present moment, the execution of any other diligence within the process that might produce any useful result for the process, I submit it to your consideration, for you to determine whatever you may see as convenient.
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Offline Brietta

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« Reply #2734 on: December 16, 2017, 11:47:37 AM »
How did  Amaral get it so right one wonders,perhap's he was far better than some detractors wish to admit.

Just a polite reminder ... the Portuguese sacked Amaral as coordinator of Madeleine McCann's case ... the investigation was placed in the entirely capable hands of Rebelo who according to the Portuguese press of the time took over the entirely disorganised mess left behind by his predecessor.

The new team that is led by Paulo Rebelo, the new coordinator of the Criminal Investigation Department of Policia Judiciaria (PJ) in Portimao, already has the Maddie case process digitalized into the personal computers. "It was a hideous amount of work", because the process' paperwork was "anarquically spread out", according to a source with PJ, who criticises the inexistence of a centralising figure in the former team, who "would know how to distribute the work".
http://themaddiecasefiles.com/paulo-rebelo-calls-in-biggest-homicide-expert-20-1-t2333.html

In my opinion the best spin possible has been put on Amaral's sacking as reading his book will confirm ... but it is contrary to press reports at the time which confirm his incompetence.

Rebelo took over a mess left behind by an incompetent ... he digitised and coordinated the information which had been left lying around on scraps of paper.  Therefore the praise merited by and given to the Portuguese investigation by Scotland Yard and the fact they were able to use it, lies fairly and squarely with the foot soldiers who initially collected the uncollated information left lying around by the incompetent Amaral regime and Rebelo and his team who put it into some sort of workable order.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Brietta

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #2735 on: December 16, 2017, 11:50:34 AM »
It was the team after Amaral who, following the refusal of the group to take part in the reconstitution, decided there was nothing more they could do.

Therefore, as we do not envision, at the present moment, the execution of any other diligence within the process that might produce any useful result for the process, I submit it to your consideration, for you to determine whatever you may see as convenient.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/P_J_FINAL_REPORT.htm

... and it was the Amaral team who neglected to carry out the diligence of reconstitution at a time when all the main players were available.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Brietta

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #2736 on: December 16, 2017, 11:54:35 AM »
Yet the bristish investigation team is more than happy with him.
Who debunked his thesis  some internet detective's?

The Portuguese Rebelo investigation ... who appear to have understood the concept of forensic science and the requirement for proof.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline jassi

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« Reply #2737 on: December 16, 2017, 12:03:46 PM »
... and it was the Amaral team who neglected to carry out the diligence of reconstitution at a time when all the main players were available.

Yes, there's no getting away from that. Had they done so at the time, the outcome of their investigation might have been quite different.
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Offline Angelo222

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #2738 on: December 16, 2017, 12:52:13 PM »
Just a polite reminder ... the Portuguese sacked Amaral as coordinator of Madeleine McCann's case ... the investigation was placed in the entirely capable hands of Rebelo who according to the Portuguese press of the time took over the entirely disorganised mess left behind by his predecessor.

The new team that is led by Paulo Rebelo, the new coordinator of the Criminal Investigation Department of Policia Judiciaria (PJ) in Portimao, already has the Maddie case process digitalized into the personal computers. "It was a hideous amount of work", because the process' paperwork was "anarquically spread out", according to a source with PJ, who criticises the inexistence of a centralising figure in the former team, who "would know how to distribute the work".
http://themaddiecasefiles.com/paulo-rebelo-calls-in-biggest-homicide-expert-20-1-t2333.html

In my opinion the best spin possible has been put on Amaral's sacking as reading his book will confirm ... but it is contrary to press reports at the time which confirm his incompetence.

Rebelo took over a mess left behind by an incompetent ... he digitised and coordinated the information which had been left lying around on scraps of paper.  Therefore the praise merited by and given to the Portuguese investigation by Scotland Yard and the fact they were able to use it, lies fairly and squarely with the foot soldiers who initially collected the uncollated information left lying around by the incompetent Amaral regime and Rebelo and his team who put it into some sort of workable order.

To be fair, Rebelo was not subjected to the pressure that Amaral and his team were put under.  Rebelo had the luxury of being able to take their time to properly document everything whereas Amaral's team were actually looking for a live child and following up live leads with few resources available to them. To be wise in hindsight is a wonderful ability.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #2739 on: December 16, 2017, 01:18:48 PM »
To be fair, Rebelo was not subjected to the pressure that Amaral and his team were put under.  Rebelo had the luxury of being able to take their time to properly document everything whereas Amaral's team were actually looking for a live child and following up live leads with few resources available to them. To be wise in hindsight is a wonderful ability.

Again amaral misunderstood the evidence..imo....and that was his downfall.... Harrison explains in the files how at a meeting with grime amaral was told the alerts had no evintial value....he ignored the experts

stephen25000

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Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #2740 on: December 16, 2017, 01:23:11 PM »
Again amaral misunderstood the evidence..imo....and that was his downfall.... Harrison explains in the files how at a meeting with grime amaral was told the alerts had no evintial value....he ignored the experts

Yet you keep referring to it, and the alerts are recorded in the case files and will not disappear, unlike someone I could mention.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #2741 on: December 16, 2017, 01:50:19 PM »
Yet you keep referring to it, and the alerts are recorded in the case files and will not disappear, unlike someone I could mention.

With no value bas evidence and therefore totally useless imo
Yet amaral used them as evidence

stephen25000

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Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #2742 on: December 16, 2017, 02:41:28 PM »
With no value bas evidence and therefore totally useless imo
Yet amaral used them as evidence

Still there and not going away.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #2743 on: December 16, 2017, 02:47:46 PM »
Still there and not going away.

And that is where they will stay gathering dust imo because I cannot see they have been any use at all

Offline barrier

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #2744 on: December 16, 2017, 03:29:04 PM »
Just a polite reminder ... the Portuguese sacked Amaral as coordinator of Madeleine McCann's case ... the investigation was placed in the entirely capable hands of Rebelo who according to the Portuguese press of the time took over the entirely disorganised mess left behind by his predecessor.


Can you tell us how many times the McCanns have been interviewed after Amaral was removed?
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