Wandering Off Topic

[Brietta]

Yet you keep referring to it, and the alerts are recorded in the case files and will not disappear, unlike someone I could mention.

Please, please, please think twice before reiterating the horrendous misinterpretation of the evidence and the reliance of the Amaral investigation on it resulting in the misdirection of the investigation he coordinated.

If the dogs give doggy indications ... then, over to the humans to make sense of it all.  It is that simple.

We have seen the video ... we have read the forensic results from the human investigation; using the imprimatur of the files we have read the bemused Inspector Diaz stating : "If the dog is trained to react when he detects what he is looking for, why, in most of the cases, we see the dog passing more than once by that place in an uninterested way, until he finally signals the place where he had already passed several times"

[Mr Gray]

Please, please, please think twice before reiterating the horrendous misinterpretation of the evidence and the reliance of the Amaral investigation on it resulting in the misdirection of the investigation he coordinated.

If the dogs give doggy indications ... then, over to the humans to make sense of it all.  It is that simple.

We have seen the video ... we have read the forensic results from the human investigation; using the imprimatur of the files we have read the bemused Inspector Diaz stating : "If the dog is trained to react when he detects what he is looking for, why, in most of the cases, we see the dog passing more than once by that place in an uninterested way, until he finally signals the place where he had already passed several times"

Excellent post

[Alice Purjorick]

Please, please, please think twice before reiterating the horrendous misinterpretation of the evidence and the reliance of the Amaral investigation on it resulting in the misdirection of the investigation he coordinated.

If the dogs give doggy indications ... then, over to the humans to make sense of it all.  It is that simple.

We have seen the video ... we have read the forensic results from the human investigation; using the imprimatur of the files we have read the bemused Inspector Diaz stating : "If the dog is trained to react when he detects what he is looking for, why, in most of the cases, we see the dog passing more than once by that place in an uninterested way, until he finally signals the place where he had already passed several times"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1DID7gxWrM

[Mr Gray]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1DID7gxWrM

Excellent...note how the dog alerted immediately to the spot rather than running past it several times and totally ignoring it before alerting as Eddie did in PDL
Makes the alerts very suspect imo

[Brietta]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1DID7gxWrM

Yes Alice ... dogs are an extremely useful tool indeed ... no-one has ever suggested otherwise ... but their indications really do require to be backed-up by evidence.

Officers from the Rebelo investigation and no doubt Rebelo himself gave very serious attention to the role played by the dogs ... why wouldn't they since it was the lynch pin of the Amaral investigation's case against Kate and Gerry ... they also interpreted the forensics appropriately which is why the arguido status imposed on them was lifted.

[Angelo222]

With no value bas evidence and therefore totally useless imo
Yet amaral used them as evidence

Police are duty bound to look at all the evidence and that included the dog alerts which were certainly suggestive of something untoward.  Add to this the fact that the FSS were telling the Portuguese one thing but failing to back it up in their final report apparently.

The part which sells it for me is that the cadaver dogs only showed an interest in McCann related objects and accomodation.  I for one don't believe in serial coincidences.

[stephen25000]

Police are duty bound to look at all the evidence and that included the dog alerts which were certainly suggestive of something untoward.  Add to this the fact that the FSS were telling the Portuguese one thing but failing to back it up in their final report apparently.

The part which sells it for me is that the cadaver dogs only showed an interest in McCann related objects and accomodation.  I for one don't believe in serial coincidences.

Precisely Angelo.
No matter what bluster is typed, the dogs only alerted to the Mccann belongings or objects they had been in contact with.

Likewise, I don't believe in that number of coincidences.

[Alice Purjorick]

Excellent...note how the dog alerted immediately to the spot rather than running past it several times and totally ignoring it before alerting as Eddie did in PDL
Makes the alerts very suspect imo

You didn't see the part where the dog was called back?
You have no comment on the amount of cuing by the handler to work his dog effectively at the task?

[Alice Purjorick]

Yes Alice ... dogs are an extremely useful tool indeed ... no-one has ever suggested otherwise ... but their indications really do require to be backed-up by evidence.

Officers from the Rebelo investigation and no doubt Rebelo himself gave very serious attention to the role played by the dogs ... why wouldn't they since it was the lynch pin of the Amaral investigation's case against Kate and Gerry ... they also interpreted the forensics appropriately which is why the arguido status imposed on them was lifted.

I don't recall ever stating anything to the contrary.
The question is what is evidence in this connexion?
As most cases, with or without dawgs, hang on the weight of circumstantial evidence it could in this instance be pretty much anything that added credence to the dogs actions, that is allowed by the judge to be presented as evidence in court.
On that one Mesdames et Messieurs ......faites vos jeux.

[Robittybob1]

Key words missing in you post.   

What were they Stephen?

[Mr Gray]

I don't recall ever stating anything to the contrary.
The question is what is evidence in this connexion?
As most cases, with or without dawgs, hang on the weight of circumstantial evidence it could in this instance be pretty much anything that added credence to the dogs actions, that is allowed by the judge to be presented as evidence in court.
On that one Mesdames et Messieurs ......faites vos jeux.

in this case once the dogs handler say that the alerts have no evidential value then...they have no value as evidence

[Alice Purjorick]

in this case once the dogs handler say that the alerts have no evidential value then...they have no value as evidence

You and other supporters then have the audacity to accuse Stephen of being boring with his mantras.......

Do you ever have an original thought?

[Carana]

I don't recall ever stating anything to the contrary.
The question is what is evidence in this connexion?
As most cases, with or without dawgs, hang on the weight of circumstantial evidence it could in this instance be pretty much anything that added credence to the dogs actions, that is allowed by the judge to be presented as evidence in court.
On that one Mesdames et Messieurs ......faites vos jeux.

Hard to tell if the dogs' "evidence" would have been allowed in PT, as there doesn't appear to be any legal provision, but nor does it seem to be prohibited.

The barks might impress a jury,  but then the caveat writ large about the barks requiring physical evidence might have cancelled out the idea of showing the videos in the first place.

What else is there?

A mixed soup of DNA from 3-5 contributors in the car? Meaningless for most people, aside from a few armchair sleuths who don't appear to understand.

The front / back door issue re an entry point and a key? No one knows what Gerry actually said, as opposed to what was noted in Portuguese.

[Alice Purjorick]

Hard to tell if the dogs' "evidence" would have been allowed in PT, as there doesn't appear to be any legal provision, but nor does it seem to be prohibited.

The barks might impress a jury,  but then the caveat writ large about the barks requiring physical evidence might have cancelled out the idea of showing the videos in the first place.

What else is there?

A mixed soup of DNA from 3-5 contributors in the car? Meaningless for most people, aside from a few armchair sleuths who don't appear to understand.

The front / back door issue re a entry point and a key? No one knows what Gerry actually said, as opposed to what was noted in Portuguese.

Precisely my point hence my comment "faites vos jeux"

[Carana]

Precisely my point hence my comment "faites vos jeux"

Yes, I understood what you meant.

In a case with less media attention, it might have been admitted (and I'll only get told off if I mention another case concerning a missing child on here in which I found the lack of evidence to be jaw-dropping).