Wandering Off Topic

[Alice Purjorick]

Yes, I understood what you meant.

In a case with less media attention, it might have been admitted (and I'll only get told off if I mention another case concerning a missing child on here in which I found the lack of evidence to be jaw-dropping).

I know the one you mean[ I think].
I have views on that case which if articulated here would have both sides queueing up to nail fiery crosses to my door...

[Carana]

I know the one you mean[ I think].
I have views on that case which if articulated here would have both sides queueing up to nail fiery crosses to my door...

Best not go there then, at least not on this part of the forum. I'd be happy to discss on the other sub-forum.

[slartibartfast]

so now again you beleive rowleys words...he also said the parents were not suspects and maddie was abducted..bye

She wasn’t old enough to make a decision to set off and start her own life.

[slartibartfast]

 &%%6x

There is nothing in my post which is my opinion ... what facts are you contesting?

Most of it. Myth making par excellence

[Brietta]

&%%6x
Most of it. Myth making par excellence

Go ahead then ... be specific.

[stephen25000]

Please, please, please think twice before reiterating the horrendous misinterpretation of the evidence and the reliance of the Amaral investigation on it resulting in the misdirection of the investigation he coordinated.

If the dogs give doggy indications ... then, over to the humans to make sense of it all.  It is that simple.

We have seen the video ... we have read the forensic results from the human investigation; using the imprimatur of the files we have read the bemused Inspector Diaz stating : "If the dog is trained to react when he detects what he is looking for, why, in most of the cases, we see the dog passing more than once by that place in an uninterested way, until he finally signals the place where he had already passed several times"

Doggy indications ?


Well, I've just about heard it all now.

[Benice]

Police are duty bound to look at all the evidence and that included the dog alerts which were certainly suggestive of something untoward.  Add to this the fact that the FSS were telling the Portuguese one thing but failing to back it up in their final report apparently.

The part which sells it for me is that the cadaver dogs only showed an interest in McCann related objects and accomodation.  I for one don't believe in serial coincidences.

IMO if Keela had been sent into the other apartments, she would have alerted to blood.

This is because

a) I DO believe Grime's claim that she could sniff out miniscule amounts of blood deposited decades ago - and that the detection of blood was her only expertise - so  -unlike Eddie - there was never any question over what it was she was alerting to. 

and
 b)

I do NOT believe it is possible that not a single drop of blood had ever been in situ in any part of even ONE other apartment, let alone THREE of them, in the very long time scale that Keela could be relied on to make a detection.
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 It all depended on .... 'time allowed to search' .....IMO.    For instance Keela did not alert to the white curtain in 5A on her first visit  - it took a second visit and a second search before she did that. 

The co-incidence IMO is that it just happened to be all the apartments where Keela was NOT deployed that no alerts to blood were made.

 AIMHO


     

[Mr Gray]

Police are duty bound to look at all the evidence and that included the dog alerts which were certainly suggestive of something untoward.  Add to this the fact that the FSS were telling the Portuguese one thing but failing to back it up in their final report apparently.

The part which sells it for me is that the cadaver dogs only showed an interest in McCann related objects and accomodation.  I for one don't believe in serial coincidences.

The fact that the dogs only alerted to things mccann does not sell it for me for reasons I have given  many times on this forum...I too do not b elieve in serial coincindences and that is another raeson I do not beleive there ever was a cadver in 5a.

your claim that the FSS was saying one thing to the PJ is pure speculation  imo with no basis in fact.

i have asked many times what do the alerts tell us...nothing we dont already know  imo...they are basically valuless..imo

[Lace]

Please, please, please think twice before reiterating the horrendous misinterpretation of the evidence and the reliance of the Amaral investigation on it resulting in the misdirection of the investigation he coordinated.

If the dogs give doggy indications ... then, over to the humans to make sense of it all.  It is that simple.

We have seen the video ... we have read the forensic results from the human investigation; using the imprimatur of the files we have read the bemused Inspector Diaz stating : "If the dog is trained to react when he detects what he is looking for, why, in most of the cases, we see the dog passing more than once by that place in an uninterested way, until he finally signals the place where he had already passed several times"

Well said Brietta.

Inspector Diaz is correct in what he is saying.

I have mentioned numerous times,  what would have happened if Grime hadn't known it was where the McCann's had been staying?    I doubt very much if he would have called Eddie back numerous times.   What would have happened if Eddie had been searching outside?   Where no one would know where the cadaver would be?  No one would  know where the dog should search,  so no one would be able to keep calling the dog back to search in a particular place.   If a dog can smell the scent of death,  then it is trained to alert to where it smells it,  not run off and have to be called back.

[stephen25000]

For alerts which some claim have no validity, the obsession with them continues.

I find this quite strange.

[Lace]

For alerts which some claim have no validity, the obsession with them continues.

I find this quite strange.

Do you?  Then why do you and others keep mentioning the dog alerts?

[stephen25000]

Well said Brietta.

Inspector Diaz is correct in what he is saying.

I have mentioned numerous times,  what would have happened if Grime hadn't known it was where the McCann's had been staying?    I doubt very much if he would have called Eddie back numerous times.   What would have happened if Eddie had been searching outside?   Where no one would know where the cadaver would be?  No one would be know where the dog should search,  so no one would be able to keep calling the dog back to search in a particular place.   If a dog can smell the scent of death,  then it is trained to alert to where it smells it,  not run off and have to be called back.

Was Diaz an expert in dog deployment ?

What experience did he have in this field exactly ?

[Mr Gray]

For alerts which some claim have no validity, the obsession with them continues.

I find this quite strange.

when I see something which is so intrinsically wrong imo  posted I like to correct it...what is strange about that

[stephen25000]

Do you?  Then why do you and others keep mentioning the dog alerts?

I am watching the reactions.

It is quite fascinating to see the reaction to something which repeated claims have said, have no meaning.

[Mr Gray]

Was Diaz an expert in dog deployment ?

What experience did he have in this field exactly ?

he doesnt have any that we know of so we take his obsevations at face value and they really are quite damning...imo. alice provided a link yesterday to cadaver dogs at work...that was also quite damning to the results iin pdl..al my opinion