Wandering Off Topic

[Lace]

I am watching the reactions.

It is quite fascinating to see the reaction to something which repeated claims have said, have no meaning.

So,  you and others mention the dog alerts for them then to be discussed,  as this is a discussion board, and then accuse the pro's of being obsessed with the dog alerts,  how strange.

[Lace]

Was Diaz an expert in dog deployment ?

What experience did he have in this field exactly ?

You don't have to be an expert in dog deployment to observe a dog in action,   not doing what it is meant to do.

[Mr Gray]

So,  you and others mention the dog alerts for them then to be discussed,  as this is a discussion board, and then accuse the pro's of being obsessed with the dog alerts,  how strange.

more predictable than strange...when a poster has no answer to the post...diversion...imo

[Mr Gray]

having little knowledge of cadaver dogs did not stop the PJ drawing incorrect conclusions re the alerts  imo

[stephen25000]

he doesnt have any that we know of so we take his obsevations at face value and they really are quite damning...imo. alice provided a link yesterday to cadaver dogs at work...that was also quite damning to the results iin pdl..al my opinion

That is a matter of opinion AND certainly not mine.

Next.

[stephen25000]

You don't have to be an expert in dog deployment to observe a dog in action,   not doing what it is meant to do.

Really ?

On what basis are you doing that ?

[Mr Gray]

That is a matter of opinion AND certainly not mine.

Next.

we all have our opinions on the alerts...the difernece is that some opinions are backed by reasoned argumant..imo

[stephen25000]

we all have our opinions on the alerts...the difernece is that some opinions are backed by reasoned argumant..imo

I do not agree it was a reasoned argument.

[Mr Gray]

I do not agree it was a reasoned argument.

whether it is reasoned or not is a matter of opinion. I would say in view of what both Grime and Harrison have stated then no reliabilty or value can be given to the unconfirmed alerts...any conclusions reached by placing value or reliability on the alerts would therefore have no value or reliability..imo

[stephen25000]

From Martin Grimes statement, YET AGAIN.


'What we should understand with this dog is that he only barks when he finds something, he won't bark at any other times. He won't bark at other dogs, he won't bark at strangers, he won't bark when somebody knocks on the door or anything like that. The only times I've ever known him bark since I've got him as a small puppy a) for his dinner and that's just excitement and that's one of the training methods we use to teach to bark when we want him to and when he actually finds something, he won't bark at other dogs, he won't bark at strangers, he won't bark when somebody knocks on the door or something like that, so again I would say that's a positive indication.'


'My professional opinion as regards to the EVRD's alert indications is that it is
suggestive that this is 'cadaver scent' contaminant. This does not however
suggest a motive or suspect as cross contamination could be as a result of a
number of given scenarios and in any event no evidential or intelligence
reliability can be made from these alerts unless they can be confirmed with
corroborating evidence.'

YET THE DOGS ONLY MADE ALERTS IN REPSECT OF MATERIAL OR PLACES THE MCCANN'S HAD BEEN.

[Mr Gray]

From Martin Grimes statement, YET AGAIN.


'What we should understand with this dog is that he only barks when he finds something, he won't bark at any other times. He won't bark at other dogs, he won't bark at strangers, he won't bark when somebody knocks on the door or anything like that. The only times I've ever known him bark since I've got him as a small puppy a) for his dinner and that's just excitement and that's one of the training methods we use to teach to bark when we want him to and when he actually finds something, he won't bark at other dogs, he won't bark at strangers, he won't bark when somebody knocks on the door or something like that, so again I would say that's a positive indication.'


'My professional opinion as regards to the EVRD's alert indications is that it is
suggestive that this is 'cadaver scent' contaminant. This does not however
suggest a motive or suspect as cross contamination could be as a result of a
number of given scenarios and in any event no evidential or intelligence
reliability can be made from these alerts unless they can be confirmed with
corroborating evidence.'

so no evidential or intelligence reliability can be atributed to the alerts...that confirms and supports what i have posted

[Mr Gray]

From Martin Grimes statement, YET AGAIN.


'What we should understand with this dog is that he only barks when he finds something, he won't bark at any other times. He won't bark at other dogs, he won't bark at strangers, he won't bark when somebody knocks on the door or anything like that. The only times I've ever known him bark since I've got him as a small puppy a) for his dinner and that's just excitement and that's one of the training methods we use to teach to bark when we want him to and when he actually finds something, he won't bark at other dogs, he won't bark at strangers, he won't bark when somebody knocks on the door or something like that, so again I would say that's a positive indication.'


'My professional opinion as regards to the EVRD's alert indications is that it is
suggestive that this is 'cadaver scent' contaminant. This does not however
suggest a motive or suspect as cross contamination could be as a result of a
number of given scenarios and in any event no evidential or intelligence
reliability can be made from these alerts unless they can be confirmed with
corroborating evidence.'

YET THE DOGS ONLY MADE ALERTS IN REPSECT OF MATERIAL OR PLACES THE MCCANN'S HAD BEEN.

you have added another point which I have repeatedly explained..


The reason the dogs only alerted to things mccann is because it was only in the mccanns apt that they were repeatedly brought back to sites they had repeatedly ignored. The video posted by alice shows a cadaver dog in action which does NOT act in this way...all my opinion

[barrier]

so no evidential or intelligence reliability can be atributed to the alerts...that confirms and supports what i have posted

So why did the judge in the first Judgement re McCann V Amaral,state that

6. The British police dogs “Eddie” and “Keela” detected human blood and cadaver in the apartment 5A, Ocean Club [alínea AR) of the undisputed facts].

Rememebr this is from the judgement you support,she must have thought they had some bearing to have raised them.To raise them she must have thought they must be of evidential reasoning.

[stephen25000]

you have added another point which I have repeatedly explained..


The reason the dogs only alerted to things mccann is because it was only in the mccanns apt that they were repeatedly brought back to sites they had repeatedly ignored. The video posted by alice shows a cadaver dog in action which does NOT act in this way...all my opinion

One video does not make a world.

As to the alerts, no matter how many times you type it, they will remain, and there is b....r all else in this case.

No evidence, forensic or otherwise to show a burglary/abductor/kidnapper in the apartment.

[Mr Gray]

So why did the judge in the first Judgement re McCann V Amaral,state that

Rememebr this is from the judgement you support,she must have thought they had some bearing to have raised them.To raise them she must have thought they must be of evidential reasoning.

she can think what she likes...the experts say they do not.