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Offline Benice

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #2790 on: December 17, 2017, 10:11:03 AM »
From Martin Grimes statement, YET AGAIN.


'What we should understand with this dog is that he only barks when he finds something, he won't bark at any other times. He won't bark at other dogs, he won't bark at strangers, he won't bark when somebody knocks on the door or anything like that. The only times I've ever known him bark since I've got him as a small puppy a) for his dinner and that's just excitement and that's one of the training methods we use to teach to bark when we want him to and when he actually finds something, he won't bark at other dogs, he won't bark at strangers, he won't bark when somebody knocks on the door or something like that, so again I would say that's a positive indication.'


'My professional opinion as regards to the EVRD's alert indications is that it is
suggestive that this is 'cadaver scent' contaminant. This does not however
suggest a motive or suspect as cross contamination could be as a result of a
number of given scenarios and in any event no evidential or intelligence
reliability can be made from these alerts unless they can be confirmed with
corroborating evidence.'


YET THE DOGS ONLY MADE ALERTS IN REPSECT OF MATERIAL OR PLACES THE MCCANN'S HAD BEEN.

As Keela was not deployed in any of  the other apartments, no-one can say for sure that she would not have alerted in one or more of them if she had been sent in.
IMO



The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline barrier

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #2791 on: December 17, 2017, 10:11:41 AM »
she can think what she likes...the experts say they do not.

So that's why it got turned over in the appeal court.
This is my own private domicile and I shall not be harassed, biatch:Jesse Pinkman Character.

stephen25000

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Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #2792 on: December 17, 2017, 10:12:03 AM »
They are circumstantial evidence, and they will remain.

stephen25000

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Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #2793 on: December 17, 2017, 10:13:13 AM »
she can think what she likes...the experts say they do not.

Yet you supported her when it suited you.

Offline Mr Gray

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« Reply #2794 on: December 17, 2017, 10:15:34 AM »
They are circumstantial evidence, and they will remain.

they have no value or reliability as evidence according to the experts....that is a fact

stephen25000

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Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #2795 on: December 17, 2017, 10:20:27 AM »
They are circumstantial evidence, and they will remain.

There is nothing else in this case.

Offline Mr Gray

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« Reply #2796 on: December 17, 2017, 10:21:59 AM »
They are circumstantial evidence, and they will remain.

There is nothing else in this case.

They are not circumstantial evidence imo...cite required

stephen25000

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Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #2797 on: December 17, 2017, 10:25:52 AM »
They are not circumstantial evidence imo...cite required

This has been explained to you before on this forum.

I am not going to waste my time telling you something you have already been told.


Offline Mr Gray

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #2798 on: December 17, 2017, 10:28:03 AM »
This has been explained to you before on this forum.

I am not going to waste my time telling you something you have already been told.

again ..in your opinion...you may think its been expalined..I would say it hasnt

please do not remove this post ...it is within forum rules and I have saved a copy

stephen25000

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Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #2799 on: December 17, 2017, 10:39:06 AM »
'Circumstantial evidence is evidence that relies on an inference to connect it to a conclusion of fact—like a fingerprint at the scene of a crime. By contrast, direct evidence supports the truth of an assertion directly—i.e., without need for any additional evidence or inference.'

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circumstantial_evidence

or,  for general definitions

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=definition+of+circumstantial+evidence&oq=definition+of+circumstantial+&aqs=chrome.0.0j69i57j0l4.19615j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #2800 on: December 17, 2017, 10:45:49 AM »
'Circumstantial evidence is evidence that relies on an inference to connect it to a conclusion of fact—like a fingerprint at the scene of a crime. By contrast, direct evidence supports the truth of an assertion directly—i.e., without need for any additional evidence or inference.'

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circumstantial_evidence

or,  for general definitions

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=definition+of+circumstantial+evidence&oq=definition+of+circumstantial+&aqs=chrome.0.0j69i57j0l4.19615j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

good post...a fingerprint has evidentail value but is still circumstantial
an unconfirmed alert has no evidential value and cannot therefore be circumstantial evidence..imo

stephen25000

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Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #2801 on: December 17, 2017, 10:47:03 AM »
good post...a fingerprint has evidentail value but is still circumstantial
an unconfirmed alert has no evidential value and cannot therefore be circumstantial evidence..imo

You need to read again davel.

The alerts are circumstantial.

No doubt about it , IMO.

Offline Mr Gray

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« Reply #2802 on: December 17, 2017, 10:51:01 AM »
You need to read again davel.

The alerts are circumstantial.

No doubt about it , IMO.

I dont need to read it again...

the aerts cannot support anything directly or indirectly therefore they cannot  be classed as evidence...as Harrison said...no inference can be drawn from the alerts...therefore they cannot support anything and cannot be classed as circumstanial evidence   imo

stephen25000

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Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #2803 on: December 17, 2017, 10:54:25 AM »
I dont need to read it again...

the aerts cannot support anything directly or indirectly therefore they cannot  be classed as evidence...as Harrison said...no inference can be drawn from the alerts...therefore they cannot support anything and cannot be classed as circumstanial evidence   imo

I have read several definitions of what is classed as circumstantial evidence.

The alerts fall under those auspices.

IMO.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #2804 on: December 17, 2017, 11:02:01 AM »
I have read several definitions of what is classed as circumstantial evidence.

The alerts fall under those auspices.

IMO.

the alerts do not fall under the definition you posted as the alerts cannot support anything as they have no evidential reliability or value...if you have another definition post it but i would suggest it will change nothing  imo