Wandering Off Topic

[Robittybob1]

Yellow line is the short route from Tapas bar to night creche. I have added the red line to indicate what the short route would be given Totman’s position when Tanner saw him at the top of the road.

Was he going to the night creche or from it?

[Holly Goodhead]

But that's not the way she told it.
If she was untruthful about that, why should anything she said be believed ?

I know its not the way she told it but if she did what I'm suggesting she had no idea at the time her movements from tapas to 5D would be placed under the microscope.  With the benefit of hindsight T7 must realise the decision to leave the children without any sort of supervision while they wined and dined at tapas every night was a disaster.  Worse still at the very least the McCanns were leaving the apartment unsecured and in the case of JT/ROB leaving a child who was unwell and at some stage vomiting.  If on the Thu eve JT/ROB were exiting/entering 5D via the back/alley/unlocked patio door they might have thought a damage limitation exercise was called for and said they were exiting/entering via the locked front door overlooking the car park.

GM claims when he was talking to JW he was standing around the entrance to the alley but on the opposite side of the road.

JW claims when he was talking to GM it was outside the small gate to 5A.

JT claims when she observed GM and JW chatting they were outside the small gate to 5A.

If GM is correct I guess its possible GM and JW did not notice JT pass the other side of the road.

If JW/JT are correct I can't see how JT passed them and they did not notice. 

So taking all of the above into account imo I think the most likely scenario is that on the Thu eve (perhaps due to the situation with EOB) JT/ROB were exiting and entering 5D via the alley.

[Holly Goodhead]

Yellow line is the short route from Tapas bar to night creche. I have added the red line to indicate what the short route would be given Totman’s position when Tanner saw him at the top of the road.

But is there any evidence that Dr T visited the tapas bar on 3rd May?

[Holly Goodhead]

But is there any evidence that Dr T visited the tapas bar on 3rd May?

According to the brochure the creche is only available to guests whilst they make use of the Tapas or Millennium restaurants.  So unless Dr T tried to blag it or was one for flouting the rules he must have been at one of these eateries. 

[The General]

According to the brochure the creche is only available to guests whilst they make use of the Tapas or Millennium restaurants.  So unless Dr T tried to blag it or was one for flouting the rules he must have been at one of these eateries.

....'don't you know who I am?'

[Holly Goodhead]

....'don't you know who I am?'

How strange...I didn't have you down as tall, dark and handsome working in the caring profession 

[Holly Goodhead]

Is someone able to upload a map of PDL highlighting Dr T's apartment, the night creche, Millennium and Tapas restaurants so we can consider the routes.  Thanks. 

[The General]

How strange...I didn't have you down as tall, dark and handsome working in the caring profession 

You're right. I'm not in the caring profession.

[Anthro]

Totman’s apartment.

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[Anthro]

Totman

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[Anthro]

There were claims that this is Dr Julian Totman (?).

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[The General]

There were claims that this is Dr Julian Totman (?).

That certainly could be Jules 'Long Hands' Totman, for sure.

[Brietta]

I saw a "material witness who knew exactly what she saw and exactly where  and when she saw it" being contradicted on camera and told she didn't see what she said she saw.

If it was Dr Totman Redwood found then it was Redwood who looked silly because 'Totman' wasn't coming from the direction of the night creche according to Jane Tanner.

That situation might well have been resolved had the third known person present in the locale been able to participate in the documentary, but it is unimportant because they saw no-one.  But as pointed out on camera the putative positioning of Jes and Gerry was immaterial to what Jane saw as her vision of the important event was not obscured wherever Jes and Gerry had been standing.

Therefore the only witness to the unknown man carrying a child away from the direction of Block 5 was Jane Tanner who has remained resolute in describing exactly what she saw and exactly where  and when she saw it.

DCI Redwood never identified anyone nor did he mention any direction of travel unless you can provide a quote showing he did.

[G-Unit]

That situation might well have been resolved had the third known person present in the locale been able to participate in the documentary, but it is unimportant because they saw no-one.  But as pointed out on camera the putative positioning of Jes and Gerry was immaterial to what Jane saw as her vision of the important event was not obscured wherever Jes and Gerry had been standing.

Therefore the only witness to the unknown man carrying a child away from the direction of Block 5 was Jane Tanner who has remained resolute in describing exactly what she saw and exactly where  and when she saw it.

DCI Redwood never identified anyone nor did he mention any direction of travel unless you can provide a quote showing he did.

The 'third person' may not have been there, but we know he agreed with Jane. What you and the person who said the position of the men was immaterial are misunderstanding is that when witnesses disagree one of them is wrong. Therefore one of them could be wrong about other things too.

I know Redwood never named anyone; was it you who mentioned the name? I said 'if'. I'm sure the Crimewatch programme said the child had been collected from the night cheche, so whoever it was they were heading towards the creche, not away from it.

For those who need to see a map here is one with certain areas marked. Block 4 (where Totman stayed) is labelled next to block 5, which is circled) and the night creche was above main reception. (4 & 5 are the Mini and Baby clubs which were also there in the daytime)

[barrier]

That situation might well have been resolved had the third known person present in the locale been able to participate in the documentary, but it is unimportant because they saw no-one.  But as pointed out on camera the putative positioning of Jes and Gerry was immaterial to what Jane saw as her vision of the important event was not obscured wherever Jes and Gerry had been standing.

Therefore the only witness to the unknown man carrying a child away from the direction of Block 5 was Jane Tanner who has remained resolute in describing exactly what she saw and exactly where  and when she saw it.

DCI Redwood never identified anyone nor did he mention any direction of travel unless you can provide a quote showing he did.

I've been on about Redwood not identifying any one by name for a long time,but what Redwood says is:

The work that we have done is to identify a british holiday maker who was returning to their apartment through the exactly same area Jane tanner saw which up till this point believed to have been Madeleine abductor.

Plain as day, identified tannerman.

https://youtu.be/1-4fp4kPi60