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« Reply #16530 on: Today at 06:20:48 PM »
Is there?  That sounds like something out of Blade Runner.
Yes, there most certainly is, Vertigo! I'm surprised you haven't heard about it!

Offline faithlilly

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« Reply #16531 on: Today at 06:47:25 PM »
As I am not their spokesperson you would have to ask them that question.

Fair point but it is odd.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

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« Reply #16532 on: Today at 06:49:46 PM »
But you asked me my opinion and I gave it.  I do inow a little bit about the subject as people?s handwriting has always been an interest of mine.

So what aspect of his writing shows a propensity to murder?
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline faithlilly

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« Reply #16533 on: Today at 06:55:20 PM »
I?ve googled it.  They apparently indicated their willingness to take one if requested to do so by the investigating authorities but the Portuguese police declined to do so as polygraph evidence is not admissible in their courts.

Luke Mitchell and his mother didn?t wait to be asked by anyone. They were more than happy to demonstrate their innocence to the world.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline faithlilly

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« Reply #16534 on: Today at 07:04:14 PM »
Would you still agree to take a test after reading this?

Innocent people frequently fail polygraph tests due to anxiety, fear, or stress, leading to false positives. Notable cases include Frank Sterling (wrongfully imprisoned for 22 years), Bill Wegerle (suspected in his wife's murder), and John Sosnovske (who was wrongly pressured to plead no contest). These cases underscore that polygraphs are not infallible.

Frank Sterling (1988): After failing a polygraph regarding the murder of Viola Manville, Sterling was coerced into a false confession and served 22 years in prison. The actual killer, Mark Christie, had passed a polygraph for the same murder and went on to kill another victim before his guilt was discovered.

Bill Wegerle (1986): Suspected of killing his wife, Wegerle failed a polygraph test. He was innocent; it was later proven that the BTK killer, Dennis Rader, committed the crime.

John Sosnovske (1991): Protesting his innocence in the murder of Taunja Bennett, Sosnovske failed a polygraph, while his co-accused (who was actually involved) passed, leading to a false conviction.

Byron Halsey: In a case highlighted by the American Polygraph Association, Halsey failed a polygraph and was wrongfully convicted of murder.

Ed Owens: Accused of child sexual abuse, Owens failed one polygraph but passed a subsequent one, illustrating the inconsistent nature of the test.

Aren?t all of these cases over 35 years old? Don?t you think that the technology connected to polygraphs has, like all technology, advanced in those years?

Would the government trust them to track the offending of domestic and child abusers if their accuracy hadn?t  improved?
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Vertigo Swirl

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« Reply #16535 on: Today at 08:51:10 PM »
Yes, there most certainly is, Vertigo! I'm surprised you haven't heard about it!
I haven?t, has it been used to prove the innocence / guilt in any cases I might be aware of?

Offline Vertigo Swirl

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« Reply #16536 on: Today at 08:51:51 PM »
So what aspect of his writing shows a propensity to murder?
Did I say his writing showed a propensity to murder?  I?m pretty sure I didn?t!!

Offline Vertigo Swirl

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« Reply #16537 on: Today at 08:53:32 PM »
Luke Mitchell and his mother didn?t wait to be asked by anyone. They were more than happy to demonstrate their innocence to the world.
They had nothing left to lose by then, but yes full marks to them for their foolhardiness.  How would you feel about them if they?d failed the test?  Bearing in mind they could still both be innocent and fail?

Offline Vertigo Swirl

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« Reply #16538 on: Today at 08:58:07 PM »
Aren?t all of these cases over 35 years old? Don?t you think that the technology connected to polygraphs has, like all technology, advanced in those years?

Would the government trust them to track the offending of domestic and child abusers if their accuracy hadn?t  improved?
They had nothing McCanns offered to take a polygraph nearly 20 years ago, perhaps polygraph tests are more accurate now but that?s not the impression I get from the recent articles I?ve read.  I think the government use of polygraphs in known abusers is a slightly different kettle of fish as these are KNOWN abusers, and therefore there is little likelihood of innocent people being put into prison off the back of these tests. Also QUOTE the Government has published analyses that show that criminals give more admissions about breaches of their licence terms when the polygraph is used - regardless of whether the test is ?really? uncovering whether they?re lying from their physiology.  But all this shows it that the examiner has managed to dupe the subject into thinking the test can read their mind, and they duly fess up more often?  END QUOTE
 But you may be right -  they may be virtuslly 100% accurate now in which case why are we even bothering with trials?  Just make every suspect take a rest and if they fail, just bang em up.  Think of the time and money that would save! 

https://www.sciencefictions.org/p/polygraph
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« Reply #16539 on: Today at 09:26:24 PM »
I haven?t, has it been used to prove the innocence / guilt in any cases I might be aware of?
Its referred to as EyeDetect, Vertigo, but is still in its infancy, so I doubt its been used in anything high profile yet!

Offline faithlilly

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« Reply #16540 on: Today at 09:42:45 PM »
Did I say his writing showed a propensity to murder?  I?m pretty sure I didn?t!!

You?re right, you didn?t, because, as you said, you are no handwriting expert.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Vertigo Swirl

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« Reply #16541 on: Today at 09:49:29 PM »
You?re right, you didn?t, because, as you said, you are no handwriting expert.
No I didnt so why did you imply that I did?  FYI handwriting experts have never claimed that handwriting can reveal a propensity to murder as far as I?m aware. 

Offline Vertigo Swirl

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« Reply #16542 on: Today at 09:50:38 PM »
Its referred to as EyeDetect, Vertigo, but is still in its infancy, so I doubt its been used in anything high profile yet!
That will probably be why I haven?t heard of it then.   But I have now.  Every day is a schoolday, as they say.

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« Reply #16543 on: Today at 10:25:14 PM »
That will probably be why I haven?t heard of it then.   But I have now.  Every day is a schoolday, as they say.
Well, have a lookie for yourself, Vertigo! Just print in EyeDetect as I said!