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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #17985 on: April 05, 2026, 02:45:34 PM »
Trouser with buttons are not rare.

You didn't find any did you.

Why would she think there was buttons at all.....if there wasn't any.
Are you blind?  I posted links to numerous pairs of trousers with buttons yesterday!
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #17986 on: April 05, 2026, 02:50:55 PM »
Trump has completely lost the plot today, are the nukes on standby I wonder?

This is not satire, this is a real post from the leader of the free world -

Trump says: "Tuesday will be Power Plant Day, and Bridge Day, all wrapped up in one, in Iran. There will be nothing like it!!! Open the f..kin? Strait, you crazy b........s, or you?ll be living in Hell - JUST WATCH! Praise be to Allah. President DONALD J. TRUMP"

He sounds almost as deranged as our very own button man.  I wonder what he thinks of the buttons?  Hopefully his fat orange finger is nowhere near the big red button otherwise we is all doomed.

Going well isn't it. They thought they could sweep in, show off their military might, do a Maduro & scare Iran into submission. Now their planes are being shot down, the strait is still closed to all who trade in dollars & Israel is running low on missile interceptors. I don't doubt for one minute that the US or Israel might use a small tactical nuke because they're the only country in the world to use nukes during combat before & the empire is running out of time.
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Offline kizzy

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #17987 on: April 05, 2026, 03:35:46 PM »
Are you blind?  I posted links to numerous pairs of trousers with buttons yesterday!

Yes, not one of them matching gmc.

front button ones, would have been covered by an upward carrying of child who looked like Maddie.

She would have described pockets not buttons...witch is in most of the links you posted.

Temu it seems wasn't about in 2007...........it was 2022.....I had seen all the ones u showed.

Not one of them with side leg buttons..... Seems Aoife would have only veiwed the side.

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #17988 on: April 05, 2026, 04:12:34 PM »
Yes, not one of them matching gmc.

front button ones, would have been covered by an upward carrying of child who looked like Maddie.

She would have described pockets not buttons...witch is in most of the links you posted.

Temu it seems wasn't about in 2007...........it was 2022.....I had seen all the ones u showed.

Not one of them with side leg buttons..... Seems Aoife would have only veiwed the side.
Did Aoife specify that the buttons she saw were like the ones on Gerry's trousers?  No she did not.  You are assuming that because you've seen Gerry's trousers with buttons that the trousers Aoife saw must have been identical to those.  In any case she described the trousers as thicker than linen which suggests heavy duty cargo pants or denim material, not the lightweight material trousers Gerry is wearing in those photos. 
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #17989 on: April 05, 2026, 04:26:28 PM »
I asked Chat GPT is these sorts of trousers were quite common in 2007.  This is what it told me:

Quote
Yeah ? you?re not imagining it. What you?re describing was definitely a thing in the mid-2000s (around 2005?2010).

They were usually:

Khaki chinos or cargos
With a fabric tab + button halfway up the calf
You?d roll the leg up and secure it neatly with the tab

👉 Very common in:

High street brands (Topman, Burton, River Island back then)
Military-inspired casualwear
Travel / ?gap year? style clothing

🧠 Why they?ve basically disappeared

A few reasons:

Fashion shifted to slimmer, shorter trousers (no need to roll)
Brands replaced them with:
Zip-off trousers (convertible hiking style)
Elastic cuffs / drawstrings
The tab system became seen as a bit dated / utilitarian

Even today, people still struggle to find them.

So - they were a fashion back in the 2000s, sold in many men's retail outlets and now they're out of fashion.  Who knew. 
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline kizzy

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #17990 on: April 05, 2026, 04:29:17 PM »
Did Aoife specify that the buttons she saw were like the ones on Gerry's trousers?  No she did not.  You are assuming that because you've seen Gerry's trousers with buttons that the trousers Aoife saw must have been identical to those.  In any case she described the trousers as thicker than linen which suggests heavy duty cargo pants or denim material, not the lightweight material trousers Gerry is wearing in those photos.

Did Aoife specify that the buttons she saw were like the ones on Gerry's trousers?  No she did not.

What a desperate remark....your nit picking now.

Linnen trousers are flimsy....the ones gmc wore were thicker than linnen.

She was only two mtr away from him

Offline kizzy

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #17991 on: April 05, 2026, 04:32:42 PM »
I asked Chat GPT is these sorts of trousers were quite common in 2007.  This is what it told me:

So - they were a fashion back in the 2000s, sold in many men's retail outlets and now they're out of fashion.  Who knew.


The trousers gmc is wearing were not rollups..........

Roll ups are not classic cut either they are baggy.

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #17992 on: April 05, 2026, 04:36:15 PM »
I asked Chat GPT is these sorts of trousers were quite common in 2007.  This is what it told me:

So - they were a fashion back in the 2000s, sold in many men's retail outlets and now they're out of fashion.  Who knew.

Were Gerry McCann masks also popular around the time?
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #17993 on: April 05, 2026, 05:12:54 PM »
Did Aoife specify that the buttons she saw were like the ones on Gerry's trousers?  No she did not.

What a desperate remark....your nit picking now.

Linnen trousers are flimsy....the ones gmc wore were thicker than linnen.

She was only two mtr away from him
How is it nitpicking to point out thay Aoife did not say that the trousers she saw were identical to Gerry?s trousers?  It?s a fact.  Linen is not flimsy it is heavier than cotton and that?s a fact too.  So the trousers Aoife saw were heavier than cotton trousers like Gerry?s and heavier than linen which is heavier than cotton.
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"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #17994 on: April 05, 2026, 05:13:52 PM »

The trousers gmc is wearing were not rollups..........

Roll ups are not classic cut either they are baggy.
So what was the purpose of the buttons on Gerry?s trousers then?
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline kizzy

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #17995 on: April 05, 2026, 06:01:38 PM »
So what was the purpose of the buttons on Gerry?s trousers then?

Possibly designer - defiantly not rollups....double stitched side seam.


100% Linen: Known for its breathability and light weight, though it tends to wrinkle, which is part of its relaxed aesthetic.

Any way people can make there own mind up about the trousers - and the buttons Aoife mentioned.

gmc owned those trousers.....no matter the great length you go to spin it

https://www.google.com/search?q=gerry+mccann+beige+trousers&rlz=1C1UEAD_en-GBGB1101GB1101&oq=gerry+m


that could also possibly be on the bed in PJ file photo.

Thats my finale answer Jeremy.






Offline Wonderfulspam

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« Reply #17996 on: April 05, 2026, 06:13:23 PM »

Anyway. I'm just glad that Wolters is taking the case seriously. We can't have Brueckner going around disguised as Gerry, snatching little girls from their beds & changing their pyjama tops before murdering them. But thankfully, for some unknown reason Brueckner hasn't abducted & murdered any other little girls at all in the last 19 years or before. No. He seems to have cleaned up his act. But the spectre remains. There will always be people who believe that Gerry was Smithman, as a result of Brueckner's cunning plan & disguise. So let's just all sit & wait patiently & peacefully until Wolters reveals the evidence that proves all the sceptics wrong. It shouldn't be much longer now.
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Offline faithlilly

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« Reply #17997 on: April 05, 2026, 06:31:12 PM »
And Martin Smith said three weeks after the event ?it is not possible for him to recognise the individual in person or by photograph? and so I ask you the same question you ask regarding Aiofe (who let?s not forget she was so close to the man she could observe the tiny beige buttons on his trousers -lol) ?if Martin Smith couldn't remember the man's face in May why do you think that he would be able to remember it months after??. 

You of course have to apply the double standard though don?t you?  Aiofe could not be expected to remember the face but Martin Smith?s memory actually sharpened over the months because that?s what usually happens isn?t it?  58 year old men?s memory of past events does improve over the months to the point that, whereas three weeks after they can?t recognise that they passed the famous dad of the most famous missing child on the street, suddenly they recognise him 4 months later, yes that?s entirely to be expected.

 If a witness in the Luke Mitchell case came forward with a similar case of ?improving memory syndrome? I wonder what you?d have to say about that.  There?s a word for these double standards you exhibit, I?m sure you know the word I?m referring to.

I would absolutely agree with your first point if Martin Smith had identified the man he saw facially. He didn?t. What he said in his statement was:

 ? In relation to the video clips of Gerard McCann and the person I saw on 3rd May 2007 when I saw the BBC news at 10 PM on 9th September 2007 something struck me that it could have been the same person. It was the way Gerard McCann turned his head down which was similar to what the individual did on 3rd May 2007 when we met him. It may have been the way he was carrying the child either. I would be 60-80% sure that it was Gerard McCann that I met that night carrying a child. I am basing that on his mannerism in the way he carried the child off the plane.?

So it was not Gerry?s face that Mr Smith recognised but a certain mannerism or posture. Now you can say ?what other way would you carry a child? but the witness obviously saw something in the sighting and Gerry?s mannerisms that he felt was out of the norm. Why didn?t the other witnesses apart from his wife pick it up? Peter, as we know was busy tending to his wife and Aiofe was a child?as were the other four members of the group?.and may not have appreciated the awkward way in which the child was being carried.

So we know 4 members of the group?s opinions. Martin and his wife thought it could be Gerry. Peter was distracted with his wife and he says that it was dark. Aiofe in May said that she wouldn?t recognise the individual.

Three of the group were 4, 6 and 10 and the 13 year old obviously had nothing to add or his statement would be in the files. Dig a little deeper and the ? only two of the group agreed? doesn?t seem quite as persuasive an argument for dismissing the sighting.

As to your point about Luke Mitchell, the most important witnesses Andrina Bryson and Jodie?s grandmother, sister and her sister?s boyfriend did change their statements and included information that wasn?t in their first ones.Luke?s brother also changed his statement but he had documents that supported the change.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #17998 on: April 05, 2026, 07:23:31 PM »
I would absolutely agree with your first point if Martin Smith had identified the man he saw facially. He didn?t. What he said in his statement was:

 ? In relation to the video clips of Gerard McCann and the person I saw on 3rd May 2007 when I saw the BBC news at 10 PM on 9th September 2007 something struck me that it could have been the same person. It was the way Gerard McCann turned his head down which was similar to what the individual did on 3rd May 2007 when we met him. It may have been the way he was carrying the child either. I would be 60-80% sure that it was Gerard McCann that I met that night carrying a child. I am basing that on his mannerism in the way he carried the child off the plane.?

So it was not Gerry?s face that Mr Smith recognised but a certain mannerism or posture. Now you can say ?what other way would you carry a child? but the witness obviously saw something in the sighting and Gerry?s mannerisms that he felt was out of the norm. Why didn?t the other witnesses apart from his wife pick it up? Peter, as we know was busy tending to his wife and Aiofe was a child?as were the other four members of the group?.and may not have appreciated the awkward way in which the child was being carried.

So we know 4 members of the group?s opinions. Martin and his wife thought it could be Gerry. Peter was distracted with his wife and he says that it was dark. Aiofe in May said that she wouldn?t recognise the individual.

Three of the group were 4, 6 and 10 and the 13 year old obviously had nothing to add or his statement would be in the files. Dig a little deeper and the ? only two of the group agreed? doesn?t seem quite as persuasive an argument for dismissing the sighting.

As to your point about Luke Mitchell, the most important witnesses Andrina Bryson and Jodie?s grandmother, sister and her sister?s boyfriend did change their statements and included information that wasn?t in their first ones.Luke?s brother also changed his statement but he had documents that supported the change.
Smith didn?t see Smithman facially (apart from knowing for sure it wasn?t casual acquaintance Robert Murat) but then even more miraculously the following year was able to give a full facial description to the McCann detectives in order to create a photofit. 
There was nothing awkward or unusual about the way Gerry carried his son out of the aeroplane. 
What does ?busy tending his wife? mean?  He either saw Smithman or he didn?t.
 It was a fleeting moment in time, one that would have left hardly any meaningful impression on them that night and yet 3 weeks later after an inexcusable delay they are able to conjure up length of sleeve, buttons, hair colour, distinguishing features, etc, then 4 monthd later were able to ascertain it might have been Gerry and then many more months later give a clear description of his facial features.  Truly miraculous.
As for Luke Mitchell I am asking you to imagine a witness coming forward 4 months after the event claiming they were 60-80% sure they saw him fleetingly that early evening in the dark near the scene of the crime on the day it occurred.  I am imagining you wouldnt be giving such a witness statement the time of day.
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline faithlilly

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #17999 on: April 05, 2026, 07:44:14 PM »
Smith didn?t see Smithman facially (apart from knowing for sure it wasn?t casual acquaintance Robert Murat) but then even more miraculously the following year was able to give a full facial description to the McCann detectives in order to create a photofit. 
There was nothing awkward or unusual about the way Gerry carried his son out of the aeroplane. 
What does ?busy tending his wife? mean?  He either saw Smithman or he didn?t.
 It was a fleeting moment in time, one that would have left hardly any meaningful impression on them that night and yet 3 weeks later after an inexcusable delay they are able to conjure up length of sleeve, buttons, hair colour, distinguishing features, etc, then 4 monthd later were able to ascertain it might have been Gerry and then many more months later give a clear description of his facial features.  Truly miraculous.
As for Luke Mitchell I am asking you to imagine a witness coming forward 4 months after the event claiming they were 60-80% sure they saw him fleetingly that early evening in the dark near the scene of the crime on the day it occurred.  I am imagining you wouldnt be giving such a witness statement the time of day.


If someone walked past me I would be able to tell you that it wasn?t my husband however I may not be able to remember his face.

Are you sure that it was Martin Smith who provided the parent?s detectives with the efits?.genuine question?

If the Smith?s description was ?truly miraculous? the same could be said of Tanner?s. In fact Tanner was further away and she saw the man for less time under less than optimal lighting conditions yet she could still see the pattern on the child?s pajamas.

Martin Smith came forward 3 weeks later not four months.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?