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« Reply #18225 on: April 09, 2026, 11:04:12 PM »

Anywhere from about 9:55 Matt. Russell's half eaten steak, 9:55 approx. Right through to Gerrys 10:13.
There's an awful lot of room for error there.
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« Reply #18226 on: April 09, 2026, 11:20:47 PM »
When the Tapas group sat down that night with the evening?s events fresh in their minds to write their timeline I wonder why they all agreed on 10pm for the time the alarm was raised, and why Gerry who?d just looked at his watch at 10.03pm at the precise moment he?d passed the Smiths didn?t insist that they put 10.03pm on the timeline?  Likewise he never mentioned 10.03pm in his first statement, so why days later when he could relax a bit as apparently no one had come forward to say they saw the world?s most famous father of a missing child carrying his child?s corpse through town, did he suddenly decide it necessary to add the the precise time to his account?  Yes, it took him a whole week to remember he?d looked at his watch at the critical time that he really needed to remember for his alibi.  Very odd.  I think there?s probably a simple explanation which someone will no doubt tell this old moron.
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« Reply #18227 on: April 09, 2026, 11:25:05 PM »

I was right. I said I wouldn't get an actual answer to a very simple question. Instead we get deflection.
VS, do you agree the alarm could have been raised before 10pm, as Matt & Russell's half eaten meal seem to Indicate? Yes/No/Maybe?
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« Reply #18228 on: April 09, 2026, 11:31:21 PM »

The problem for VS right now is if she answers with a yes or a maybe, as the evidence suggests possible, then Gerry could theoretically have time to be seen by the Smiths.
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« Reply #18229 on: April 09, 2026, 11:36:12 PM »

No McCann supporter is ever going to concede this. There will be deflection and appeals to authority but what will not be forthcoming is a simple yes or maybe. To concede this matter undermines 19 years of rigid belief.
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« Reply #18230 on: April 09, 2026, 11:45:06 PM »
Goady McGoadpants really should do a search of my posts because a) I have always said that I believed the alarm was raised at 10pm with a margin of error of around 5 minutes either side and b) I have recently made it plain I will not engage with him further because he is a rude insulting b......... Sleep tight!
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« Reply #18231 on: April 09, 2026, 11:49:59 PM »
Goady McGoadpants really should do a search of my posts because a) I have always said that I believed the alarm was raised at 10pm with a margin of error of around 5 minutes either side and b) I have recently made it plain I will not engage with him further because he is a rude insulting b......... Sleep tight!

I see. So it's possible Gerry was seen by the Smiths isn't it. Considering how imprecise all these times are. A margin of error of 5 minutes is very slim when the discrepancy lies in a window between 9:55 & 10:13. Nearly twenty minutes. How were you able to narrow the margin to just 5 minutes?
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« Reply #18232 on: April 09, 2026, 11:54:23 PM »

It's all guess work really isn't it. And if one doesn't wish to believe that Gerrylike coincidental button trousers pyjama change paedo abductor guy could potentially be Mr McCann you'll pick & choose what to believe of the witness statements, which is a criticism aimed at sceptics.
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« Reply #18233 on: April 10, 2026, 12:11:52 AM »
Oh well, tomorrow is another day, as Scarlet O'Hara would say!

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« Reply #18234 on: April 10, 2026, 07:30:38 AM »
I would like to see a map detailing the route taken from tapas bar to Apartment, apartment to wasteland with associated durations to cover all actions taken at each spot,  followed by the route from wasteland  to Smith sighting with duration time of this journey.  If it can all be achieved in under 5 minutes I will concede that it is physically possible, though remain highly sceptical for a number of reasons namely 1) the implausibility of choosing the high risk strategy of moving a dead body in plain sight not once but twice before 10pm and the lack of a clear motive for making the second move  2) the absurd risk of engaging your wife to raise the alarm minutes before putting your plan in action 3) the illogical decision to look for a second hiding spot in the epicentre of the town?s tourist area when less busy, more secluded options are available in the opposite direction.
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« Reply #18235 on: April 10, 2026, 08:41:45 AM »
I would like to see a map detailing the route taken from tapas bar to Apartment, apartment to wasteland with associated durations to cover all actions taken at each spot,  followed by the route from wasteland  to Smith sighting with duration time of this journey.  If it can all be achieved in under 5 minutes I will concede that it is physically possible, though remain highly sceptical for a number of reasons namely 1) the implausibility of choosing the high risk strategy of moving a dead body in plain sight not once but twice before 10pm and the lack of a clear motive for making the second move  2) the absurd risk of engaging your wife to raise the alarm minutes before putting your plan in action 3) the illogical decision to look for a second hiding spot in the epicentre of the town?s tourist area when less busy, more secluded options are available in the opposite direction.

It's obviously impossible to know exactly where Gerry could have secreted Madeleine during his 9pm check before recovering her later & then being seen by the Smiths. But it is possible. This is where theory & evidence differ. We have evidence the alarm could have been raised prior to 10pm (approx), & evidence Gerry could have been seen by the Smiths around the same, impossible to specify time. The rest becomes theory. Wouldn't you agree that the abductor took a number of huge risks? So, why not Gerry? Was there any other way for him to remove her from the apartment without being seen by members of his own group? Maybe in the middle of the night, but staging an abduction that way left them in the tiny apartment together when the abductor strikes & opens the noisy window. For me, the tapas bar is Gerry's alibi, because he can't be in two places at once. They didn't have access to a vehicle at that time so there's no other way for Gerry to remove her from the apartment than on foot, & it's no use speculating on whether he could have gone this way or that. Follow what the evidence shows. The Gerrylike man took her into town toward the beach. For me there's two possibilities I consider here. 1, he sadly deposits Maddie in a commercial bin large enough. 2, he deposits Maddie somewhere on the dark deserted beach before recovering her later, then sadly depositing her in a commercial bin. (The Mccanns were alone searching during the night) We simply don't know. But what we do know is that there's major discrepancy about the time the alarm was raised together with an alleged sighting of Gerry & Maddie around the same time period. The rest is all theory & can only ever be without further or more accurate evidence.
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« Reply #18236 on: April 10, 2026, 08:51:05 AM »

Then there's asking how she could have died? It's simply impossible to know. It's all theory. But one can easily draw a conclusion she was deceased from the Smith sighting. If the abduction was staged there has to be a reason & the only reason can be that she was deceased. It's no wonder for me why the Portuguese came to that conclusion. They had questionable evidence of abduction with a complete mess of a timeline, cadaver alerts & then later as the final nail, Gerry being partially identified.
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« Reply #18237 on: April 10, 2026, 10:49:31 AM »
Then there's asking how she could have died? It's simply impossible to know. It's all theory. But one can easily draw a conclusion she was deceased from the Smith sighting. If the abduction was staged there has to be a reason & the only reason can be that she was deceased. It's no wonder for me why the Portuguese came to that conclusion. They had questionable evidence of abduction with a complete mess of a timeline, cadaver alerts & then later as the final nail, Gerry being partially identified.

Did the PJ ever check what time Aoife's phone pinged the Luz Centro mast that night when she claimed she checked the time? All the Smith testimonies are worthless without THEIR correct timeline and an absence of any evidence they were in Kelly's Bar on May 3rd evening.
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« Reply #18238 on: April 10, 2026, 11:00:20 AM »
Did the PJ ever check what time Aoife's phone pinged the Luz Centro mast that night when she claimed she checked the time? All the Smith testimonies are worthless without THEIR correct timeline and an absence of an evidence they were in Kelly's Bar on May 3rd evening.

Surely you'd have to agree the same could be said about the tapas guests evidence though? There's no way to verify anything in terms of the exact time the alarm was raised. Incredibly, were now supposed to believe SY have, somehow. You can completely dismiss the Smith family sighting if you have to. That's totally up to you. But you're never going to get anywhere that way. In fact, your heroes SY felt the Smith family evidence significant enough to feature on Crimewatch. Why do you think they might have done that?
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« Reply #18239 on: April 10, 2026, 11:11:11 AM »

The poor old Smith family. They who must be attacked or dismissed altogether to make an abduction by a stranger make any sense. I feel sorry for them having to be involved in the case. All they wanted was a family evening out but thanks to the McCanns their lives have been blighted for the last 19 years really. Although, obviously, I have no sympathy at all for the McCanns or any of the tapas guests who outright refused to assist the police further in a missing child investigation.
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