Wandering Off Topic

[Wonderfulspam]

Suggestion. The patriarch of the family was 60-80% sure, and I'm sure they discussed the whole episode at length as a family before reporting it, given the magnitude of that action. She was a child, eager to please, and may have seen an image of Gerry wearing them.

It's fragile evidence and can be placed firmly in the 'tenuous' pigeon hole, along with the telephone data and the transfer of vehicle ownership.

Your pointing to the loose timeline is more significant, as is the Smith sighting itself. The trousers, not so much.

Also, for me the trousers aren't any kind of clincher. They are just an unfortunate small coincidence in the overall picture but yes you're right about the timeline. It's more than a little loose, but, we're expected to believe the three expert investigative forces, who are known to be able to pick out these sorts of timeline issues, we're expected to believe that they were able to put the whole matter right. Somehow. Must have run it through AI or something.

[Eleanor]

Oh dear. Can you tell me what time the alarm was raised, Eleanor? Where exactly Gerry went searching at all? Can you contribute something to the forum that doesn't involve insults?

Oh Yes.

[Uncle Jr]

No. The ID of Gerry didn't come until months later. Aoife identified possibly with buttons in her initial statement 4 weeks after the event. So the family couldn't have influenced her to include possibly with buttons in her statement to implicate Gerry, because they didn't even believe at that point that they'd seen him.

Got it. So why did Aoife state that she didn't think it was Gerry?
And can you show me an example of these apparently fashionable trousers?
It looks to me that Gerry favoured the 'just below the knee' cargo shorts from what I've seen.

[Wonderfulspam]

Got it. So why did Aoife state that she didn't think it was Gerry?
And can you show me an example of these apparently fashionable trousers?
It looks to me that Gerry favoured the 'just below the knee' cargo shorts from what I've seen.

Because she couldn't remember his face, she said at the time. Peter didn't get a great look at him either because he was busy tending his wife. But as I explained, there was something slightly off for them about this man & child that caused them to notice things, the child being visibly heavily unconscious & not ambulating as you might expect for a child of her approximate age & size, the man looking uncomfortable carrying her, him averting his gaze & lowering his head ignoring the polite old lady who, being confronted with this slightly unusual situation she felt compelled to enquire about the life status of this girl in the long sleeve pyjamas.

[Uncle Jr]

Because she couldn't remember his face, she said at the time. Peter didn't get a great look at him either because he was busy tending his wife. But as I explained, there was something slightly off for them about this man & child that caused them to notice things, the child being visibly heavily unconscious & not ambulating as you might expect for a child of her approximate age & size, the man looking uncomfortable carrying her, him averting his gaze & lowering his head ignoring the polite old lady who, being confronted with this slightly unusual situation she felt compelled to enquire about the life status of this girl in the long sleeve pyjamas.

All of the points above are more compelling than the trousers.

[Wonderfulspam]

All of the points above are more compelling than the trousers.

I know thanks. The trousers are just an extra little added detail that needs explaining away in the Smithman was the abductor scenario, which no one on the supporter side seems to dare try & make fit the evidence.

[Uncle Jr]

I know thanks. The trousers are just an extra little added detail that needs explaining away in the Smithman was the abductor scenario, which no one on the supporter side seems to dare try & make fit the evidence.

Where do you think Gerry was going?

[Wonderfulspam]

Where do you think Gerry was going?

Pass. But he seemed headed toward the beach. Whatever he could have done with her is all guess work and nothing more, but, in life, the simpler explanations are usually the right ones & the simplest conclusion I've ever reached for making a little girl's body disappear forever is to sadly deposit her in a large dumpster type bin.

[Uncle Jr]

Pass. But he seemed headed toward the beach. Whatever he could have done with her is all guess work and nothing more, but, in life, the simpler explanations are usually the right ones & the simplest conclusion I've ever reached for making a little girl's body disappear forever is to sadly deposit her in a large dumpster type bin.

OK, let's explore that. A dumpster type bin being a large enough receptacle to adequately hide a small child I suppose.
Makes sense.
Then there's the proximity to the apartment. Nobody 'shits on their own doorstep', right? So he has to take almost unthinkable option of simply brassing it out, impersonating a father carrying his sleeping daughter to a suitable hiding place, dumpster or otherwise, but not within striking distance of the apartment. Doing so would be discovered in pretty short order with anything remotely approaching a rigorous search. OK, I see the logic.
The route seems illogical in hindsight, apart from being generally downhill making carrying her easier, but when in a blind panic the subject matter is in tunnel vision. Up to the hills away from streelights and footfall is the better option, as I say, in hindsight. But we also have to consider that he's a relative stranger.

OK, so pick through that.

Question: why?

[Vertigo Swirl]

All of the points above are more compelling than the trousers.

I disagree.  The Smiths did not describe the child as ?heavily unconscious ? for a start.  If the man didn?t respond tovMrs Smith it could be because he didn?t understand what she was saying, he perhaps being not an English speaker.  I pass people on the street every day of the week who don?t look at me as I pass them, it doesn?t mean they are all hiding something, just that they aren?t particularly friendly.

[Vertigo Swirl]

OK, let's explore that. A dumpster type bin being a large enough receptacle to adequately hide a small child I suppose.
Makes sense.
Then there's the proximity to the apartment. Nobody 'shits on their own doorstep', right? So he has to take almost unthinkable option of simply brassing it out, impersonating a father carrying his sleeping daughter to a suitable hiding place, dumpster or otherwise, but not within striking distance of the apartment. Doing so would be discovered in pretty short order with anything remotely approaching a rigorous search. OK, I see the logic.
The route seems illogical in hindsight, apart from being generally downhill making carrying her easier, but when in a blind panic the subject matter is in tunnel vision. Up to the hills away from streelights and footfall is the better option, as I say, in hindsight. But we also have to consider that he's a relative stranger.

OK, so pick through that.

Question: why?

According to Spam he?s already moved the body to wasteland a few minutes down the road.  Why risk moving it a second time for thr sake of another few minutes distance?  Are the police really going to conclude that an extra 5 minutes distance means the parents must be in the clear?  Absolute nonsense!

[Vertigo Swirl]

I think we can dismiss the 'buttons' to be honest. There's every chance she saw video or pictures of Gerry in between the fateful night and the day on whcih the statements were taken, as the family must have discussed the sighting prior to reporting it. There's every chance they actively sought oiut such material to confirm their suspicions.

There?s more chance of Spam setting up a McCann fan club than there is of him dismissing the buttons, he?s mentioned them in virtually every post he?s written in the last few weeks.  The whole case pivots on the buttons, if we?re to believe his nonsense.

[Wonderfulspam]

OK, let's explore that. A dumpster type bin being a large enough receptacle to adequately hide a small child I suppose.
Makes sense.
Then there's the proximity to the apartment. Nobody 'shits on their own doorstep', right? So he has to take almost unthinkable option of simply brassing it out, impersonating a father carrying his sleeping daughter to a suitable hiding place, dumpster or otherwise, but not within striking distance of the apartment. Doing so would be discovered in pretty short order with anything remotely approaching a rigorous search. OK, I see the logic.
The route seems illogical in hindsight, apart from being generally downhill making carrying her easier, but when in a blind panic the subject matter is in tunnel vision. Up to the hills away from streelights and footfall is the better option, as I say, in hindsight. But we also have to consider that he's a relative stranger.

OK, so pick through that.

Question: why?

It would require a commercial bin large enough is all I've ever considered. If he went toward the beach with her there were bars & restaurants in the area that he would have had the opportunity to sadly place her in, under cover of darkness when they were out searching alone later during the night. There's nothing more can really be added. If we get into the why he had to do it, it's all theory but there are reasons I can think, like there being something incriminating about the manner of death. But again we venture from evidence based theory to all guess work.

[Wonderfulspam]

According to Spam he?s already moved the body to wasteland a few minutes down the road.  Why risk moving it a second time for thr sake of another few minutes distance?  Are the police really going to conclude that an extra 5 minutes distance means the parents must be in the clear?  Absolute nonsense!

I've no idea where he moved her to during his unusually long check, probably somewhere in the direction of the wasteland but he was later seen by the Smiths so join the dots really.

[Uncle Jr]

According to Spam he?s already moved the body to wasteland a few minutes down the road.  Why risk moving it a second time for thr sake of another few minutes distance?  Are the police really going to conclude that an extra 5 minutes distance means the parents must be in the clear?  Absolute nonsense!

I suppose wasteland would be a terrible place to pick, as it would be in the top 5 places to search. Perhaps he was simply getting her out of the apartment? Any port in a storm? I'm playing Devil's Advocate.