Wandering Off Topic

[Vertigo Swirl]

That was about 5 days ago. It wasn't an issue last night. I'm not sure why you're suddenly so offended by it now. If it was such an issue, why didn't you say that before? I have to question your motivation for raising this matter now & failing to mention the problem sooner. 'I said that I don't believe you & reckon you've had lots of abortions', that's all. The statistics do indicate that lots of women have abortions, 1 in 4. And also, it is known that many women do not tell the truth about whether or not they've ever actually had an abortion, due to stigma. So whilst you may well say you've never had an abortion, according to the statistics there's a one in four likelihood you actually have & high chance you wouldn't tell the truth about it anyway. I cant just look at the reality of the statistics & ignore them I'm afraid. That would be unwise. Meanwhile the statistical likelihood that I as being a man were a paedophile is indeed higher than if I were a woman, but the statistical likelihood that I was attracted to children or had commit sex offences against them would be considerably lower when considering the prevalence of paedophiles among the overall male population.

It was an issue for me five days ago and I did complain about it to you and asked for an apology then and I?m asking for one again.   This is an anonymous forum so if you ask me a personal question and I choose to answer it will be an honest one.  I don?t lie. 

[Wonderfulspam]

The statistical likelihood I were a paedophile becomes a great deal lower, when considering how much I hate children. Anyway, I'm sorry you feel upset about me saying you might ever have had lots of abortion VS. It was quite inappropriate, even if the statistical likelihood is high. Let's get back to the ethics of killing. As Eleanor pointed out you cannot 'murder' a foetus. But also, capital punishment isn't technically murder anyway either. But we weren't discussing murder in the first place, other than whether proven child raping murderers should be sentenced to a swift, painless & humane execution. I'm yet to hear any decent arguments against it however.

[Wonderfulspam]

It was an issue for me five days ago and I did complain about it to you and asked for an apology then and I?m asking for one again.   This is an anonymous forum so if you ask me a personal question and I choose to answer it will be an honest one.  I don?t lie.

I am sorry VS I was just screwing around. It was rather inappropriate. I wouldn't think any less of you even if you have had an abortion or more, mainly on account of the fact that I think all human life should be extinguished for the better of the planet & nature.

[Wonderfulspam]

If that?s the way you want to present it, then yes I suppose so, as an alternative to having someone put a noose round their neck and hang them till their head falls off or inject them with some deadly chemical in front of an audience that may take minutes to kill them and cause indescribable suffering.

That's not how it would be done. It would be done humanely in the same manner as at assisted dying clinics. The subject is sedated, before the lethal cocktail administered.

[Vertigo Swirl]

The statistical likelihood I were a paedophile becomes a great deal lower, when considering how much I hate children. Anyway, I'm sorry you feel upset about me saying you might ever have had lots of abortion VS. It was quite inappropriate, even if the statistical likelihood is high. Let's get back to the ethics of killing. As Eleanor pointed out you cannot 'murder' a foetus. But also, capital punishment isn't technically murder anyway either. But we weren't discussing murder in the first place, other than whether proven child raping murderers should be sentenced to a swift, painless & humane execution. I'm yet to hear any decent arguments against it however.

Just a quick question - if you hate children why are you so interested in the rights of the unborn child?  Is it just a way of exercising your hatred of women when they exercise their right to choose whether or not to go through nine months of pregnancy?

[Wonderfulspam]

Just a quick question - if you hate children why are you so interested in the rights of the unborn child?  Is it just a way of exercising your hatred of women when they exercise their right to choose whether or not to go through nine months of pregnancy?

I'm not. I'm pointing to the blurry line within the acceptance of taking a human life.

[Lace]

I'm not. I'm pointing to the blurry line within the acceptance of taking a human life.

So would you give someone a lethal injection?

[Vertigo Swirl]

That's not how it would be done. It would be done humanely in the same manner as at assisted dying clinics. The subject is sedated, before the lethal cocktail administered.

I think even then there is some question mark about the level of discomfort or suffering the individual goes through as they die.  But it?s the stress and terror leading up to the execution which is so inhumane.  There is a big difference between choosing to die and being forcibly killed.  That said, I would not be averse to offering lifers the choice to end their lives if they prefer it to 30 years in prison.  There is one problem with that however, and that is the murderer may still be hanging on to information about the victim?s murder or even whereabouts that their family may hope one day the murderer will reveal, eg. Brady and Hindley who knew were the bodies were buried and who, if further bodies had been found, would no longer have been alive to face justice for those murders had they been executed.

[Vertigo Swirl]

I'm not. I'm pointing to the blurry line within the acceptance of taking a human life.

You?re not interested in the rights of the unborn child?  A bundle of cells is not a human.  A foetus that cannot surive independent of the w..b is not a human.  Beyond that point I am against abortion and I am especially incensed that ghe law recently changed to allow terminations up to 40 weeks.  It?s appalling IMO.

[Wonderfulspam]

So would you give someone a lethal injection?

Your poor old ill grandmother who is in immense pain & requesting coherently & repeatedly to put out of her misery? I'd have to be paid for the job, but yes, I would consider it the right thing to do. So, I don't really see the problem in administering a lethal cocktail to a proven child raping murderer, who will never be fit to be released into society.

[Wonderfulspam]

You?re not interested in the rights of the unborn child?  A bundle of cells is not a human.  A foetus that cannot surive independent of the w..b is not a human.  Beyond that point I am against abortion and I am especially incensed that ghe law recently changed to allow terminations up to 40 weeks.  It?s appalling IMO.

Yes it's rotten & disgusting really, considering also the available prevalence of contraception these days. It is a very bad example of acceptable standards in modern society. I would probably permit abortion within the first probably 3 months or so maximum if I made the rules. After that it becomes too appalling to me. I've seen a late stage abortion via ultrasound on video. I think anyone considering abortion after around 3 months should be forced to watch it really, to truly understand the horrific nature of it.

[Wonderfulspam]

I think even then there is some question mark about the level of discomfort or suffering the individual goes through as they die.  But it?s the stress and terror leading up to the execution which is so inhumane.  There is a big difference between choosing to die and being forcibly killed.  That said, I would not be averse to offering lifers the choice to end their lives if they prefer it to 30 years in prison.  There is one problem with that however, and that is the murderer may still be hanging on to information about the victim?s murder or even whereabouts that their family may hope one day the murderer will reveal, eg. Brady and Hindley who knew were the bodies were buried and who, if further bodies had been found, would no longer have been alive to face justice for those murders had they been executed.

I don't see the problem in imposing some stress & terror, some fear on child raping murderers myself.  Also, we don't seem to see as many serial killers anymore probably due to improvement in investigative techniques, meaning they are caught before they can commit any more, & with general surveillance in modern society. We seem to have improved at discovering bodies after homicide also & it's quite rare now for them to not be found. Although obviously there are some instances.

[Wonderfulspam]

To reduce stress & fear in the murderer, I suppose he could be administered his sedatives in a meal at an unspecified date some time after he is sent down. He'll still know one day he is going to be executed at some point during his stay in prison, but he won't know exactly when that will be. Just that after eating his meal one day, he'll become a bit sleepy, have a lie down like he often does, then he can be given a lethal cocktail of which he would be completely unaware. That sounds like a nice humane way for the evil paedophile to go.

[Vertigo Swirl]

I watched a documentary on Netflix the other day (wished I hadn?t in retrospect) which sort of encompasses both your discussion topics in one - it was about the depraved bitch who murdered a pregnant friend by cutting her full term baby out of her w..b in a pathetically poor attempt to it pass off as her own.  I must admit when she was sentenced to death at the end I did think ?good?, but I?m still not really in favour of the death penalty generally speaking.

[Joe Blogs]

I believe that Jeremy Bamber is innocent.

I started with reasonable doubt, but then Boyce's Aga evidence/theory pushed me to innocence, Eleonor!