Has Martin Smith Changed his Opinion ?

[Alice Purjorick]

Did they have Cell Phones in those days?

But then I'm not talking about the same criminal fraternity that you are

PS.  You don't half know some very strange people.

1. Surely did. I first had a cellphone in 1994.
2. Surely do.


Technically, a burner phone is a prepaid device. However, burners are different from prepaid phones in that they are used specifically for one purpose and then disposed. We certainly hope you don’t get rid of your phone after a few weeks of using it!

Burner phones came to fame with the television show “The Wire,”[first broadcast 2002] when drug dealers used the phones to communicate. However, these devices have been criminals’ go-to long before HBO made them famous.

Since prepaid phones can be bought with cash (and without a contract), they’re much harder to track. So it’s easy for people to use them for certain (illegal) activities and then simply dump the phone—and more importantly, the phone number—when it’s considered “burned,” or too risky to use. Then, these users simply buy another pay as you go device.

You can see how these devices would be incredibly appealing to criminals. But burners have other uses too…

https://www.puretalkusa.com/blog/what-is-a-burner-phone/
http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?CC=US&NR=5519760&KC=&FT=E&locale=en_EP

[slartibartfast]

Perchance they are thinking, as I am thinking, that Tannerman stopped off en route, quite possibly at the Staff Quarters just a few metres up the road from the forward Smith, (was it Peter?).  Madeleine was very cold and a cardy, or cotton long sleeved top, was found to keep their precious, money making little one warm.

To remind you, A scream was heard coming from the Staff quarters according to the 3 A's



I originally thought that Tannerman might have stopped off there because he had been abandoned by his get-away driver and had nowhere to go, but there is another possibility.

Maybe he was to go there to send out a signal to sea thta the mission, part 1 was completed ....and await a return signal from a boat at sea that a "pick-up" boat was coming in. ... and he was to leave to "connect" with that boat?   

This may be completely incorrect but the staff quarters are high and I would have thought from the roof there would have been good visability of the ocean.   

This is just an alternative idea to my original one, both are possibilities.


And once again, to remind you, it seems that
A scream was heard coming from the Staff Quarters

How were they going to make money out of Madeleine?

[Alice Purjorick]

How were they going to make money out of Madeleine?

Clearly not by ransom.

[sadie]

How were they going to make money out of Madeleine?

Slarti

As you will know if you have bothered to read any of my posts, I believe that Madeleine was selected for some reason ... and ordered by an elite.  They were paid by the elite.

In other words it was a paid abduction by others for the purchaser, an elite.  Bet the actual lifters and carry her off people didn't even know who they were working for.  My bet is that each stage of the abduction was isolated from the next stage and no-one apart from  the purchaser/master planner knew anyone other than within their stage and one adjacent stage.  That way, nobody could grass the elite purchaser up.

[sadie]

Clearly not by ransom.

No, not by ransom

See my last post.

[pegasus]

I don't know if they are telling the truth or not. What makes you so sure they are?

In the entire history of the Met, including the many cases our current SIO worked on, can you quote me a single case that involved a directly visible (not enclosed) transportation by a pedestrian? There isn't not even one case in many decades.  And there is a reason for that - no perp (abductor or concealor) would be that stupid.

So there is no reason to question the veracity of the short sleeved pyjama top.

[pegasus]

(snip) a scream (snip)

Sadie that was in Sol article . Very odd because it was Saturday night (not Thursday). That is the blue and white building.

[slartibartfast]

Slarti

As you will know if you have bothered to read any of my posts, I believe that Madeleine was selected for some reason ... and ordered by an elite.  They were paid by the elite.

In other words it was a paid abduction by others for the purchaser, an elite.  Bet the actual lifters and carry her off people didn't even know who they were working for.  My bet is that each stage of the abduction was isolated from the next stage and no-one apart from  the purchaser/master planner knew anyone other than within their stage and one adjacent stage.  That way, nobody could grass the elite purchaser up.

But what reason to choose such a risky target?

[stephen25000]

Slarti

As you will know if you have bothered to read any of my posts, I believe that Madeleine was selected for some reason ... and ordered by an elite.  They were paid by the elite.

In other words it was a paid abduction by others for the purchaser, an elite.  Bet the actual lifters and carry her off people didn't even know who they were working for.  My bet is that each stage of the abduction was isolated from the next stage and no-one apart from  the purchaser/master planner knew anyone other than within their stage and one adjacent stage.  That way, nobody could grass the elite purchaser up.

You have as much evidence for that as David Icke has for reptilian aliens ruling the human race.

[G-Unit]

In the entire history of the Met, including the many cases our current SIO worked on, can you quote me a single case that involved a directly visible (not enclosed) transportation by a pedestrian? There isn't not even one case in many decades.  And there is a reason for that - no perp (abductor or concealor) would be that stupid.

So there is no reason to question the veracity of the short sleeved pyjama top.

I don't know what happened that night, but I can see one reason why someone might do that in this particular place; it was a common to see sleeping children being carried home at night. If DCI Redwood is telling the truth at least 8 children were carried home from the night creche on 3rd May. Steve Carpenter carried his sleeping daughter home between 9.15 and 9.30pm also. I wonder if the Balu's carried their child back from the Berry's? There's 10 sleeping children for you being carried through the streets that night. That's why the Smiths didn't see it as odd.

[Brietta]

But what reason to choose such a risky target?

If Madeleine was targeted it wasn't realised she might be a 'risky' target.

She was just an ordinary little girl from a professional family whose kidnapping would have been newsworthy at the time but would soon fade from public perception as most 'sensational' cases eventually do.

The only reason that wasn't the outcome is entirely due to the efforts of her parents to make sure that did not happen;  if those who perpetrated and participated in the crime had had a crystal ball, I think it entirely possible they would have by passed Madeleine and sooner or later the opportunity would have arisen for a different child to be taken.

[faithlilly]

If Madeleine was targeted it wasn't realised she might be a 'risky' target.

She was just an ordinary little girl from a professional family whose kidnapping would have been newsworthy at the time but would soon fade from public perception as most 'sensational' cases eventually do.

The only reason that wasn't the outcome is entirely due to the efforts of her parents to make sure that did not happen;  if those who perpetrated and participated in the crime had had a crystal ball, I think it entirely possible they would have by passed Madeleine and sooner or later the opportunity would have arisen for a different child to be taken.

The fact that she would have been newsworthy at all would have made her a risky target.

[sadie]

Sadie that was in Sol article . Very odd because it was Saturday night (not Thursday). That is the blue and white building.

I read it on the 3A's ... and I preferred that (believe it or not!) to a ?newspaper article.  Especially in a paper with the name "SOL".  I dont intend to explain that.

[G-Unit]

The fact that she would have been newsworthy at all would have made her a risky target.

Not to mention the difficulties presented by the incessant checkers and the presence of two others in the same room.

[pegasus]

I read it on the 3A's ... and I preferred that (believe it or not!) to a ?newspaper article.  Especially in a paper with the name "SOL".  I dont intend to explain that.

'... On the days right after the disappearance of Madeleine, a muffled cry that came from that location raised suspicions. "On Saturday, around half past midnight, two inspectors from the Judiciaria asked to enter my home" ...' (Source: Sol 15 Sept 2007)

So that search was on Sat 5th May.
And it resulted presumably from someone hearing a muffled cry somewhere in that building and reporting it to police.
Was it heard on Sat 5th?
Or was it heard on the night of Thu 3rd but not reported until Sat 5th?
This is on witnesses' route close to sighting