There was no frantic activity by the Tapas Group after the alarm was raised

[mercury]

Very funny. I've tried to point out verifiable or likely translation errors (ambiguities), irrespective of who was arguing.

Which are the verifiable errors related to inconsistencies/discrepancies? "Likely" is as relevant as...well...anything that is likely...in the realm of speculation...eta it really is not helpful to add to the chaos with more speculation IMO that creates more chaos and confusion and Im sure you wuldnt want that

[mercury]

this is was taken from Gerrys statement..

Concerning the child's personality, she was extrovert, very active, talkative, smart and related to other children with great ease. But she would never go with a stranger.


and this from kate's..

Concerning the child's personality, she was extrovert, very active, talkative, smart and related to other children with great ease. But she would never go with a stranger.

seeing as neither would use the phrase...relate to other children with great ease...obviously the same translator giving their own interpretation of what was said

A) who said the mccanns would never use that phrase, nothng wring with it, it means sociable and no problems with other kids
B) you arent keeping up...the discussion is about discrepancies
C) nothing wrong with a translator putting down their interpretation, thats what they are employed to do
D) it is obvious to me the translator was putting the crux down as the wirds are exactly the same, but thats all that matters

anythng else?

[Carana]

this is was taken from Gerrys statement..

Concerning the child's personality, she was extrovert, very active, talkative, smart and related to other children with great ease. But she would never go with a stranger.


and this from kate's..

Concerning the child's personality, she was extrovert, very active, talkative, smart and related to other children with great ease. But she would never go with a stranger.

seeing as neither would use the phrase...relate to other children with great ease...obviously the same translator giving their own interpretation of what was said

In that instance, I think that the meaning is clear. "Related to other children with great ease" in the original English was quite likely to have been "got on really well with other children".

[Carana]

Which are the verifiable errors related to inconsistencies/discrepancies? "Likely" is as relevant as...well...anything that is likely...in the realm of speculation...eta it really is not helpful to add to the chaos with more speculation IMO that creates more chaos and confusion and Im sure you wuldnt want that

Erm... If you remember, some time ago there was an argument about whether the clothes had been taken out in one location before being taken out in the gym. I pointed out that there was an ambiguity as to whether Amaral had actually stated that, as the original Portuguese was phrased in the conditional which could have meant that they were supposed to have been taken out in the first location, but may not have been.

For example.

[mercury]

Erm... If you remember, some time ago there was an argument about whether the clothes had been taken out in one location before being taken out in the gym. I pointed out that there was an ambiguity as to whether Amaral had actually stated that, as the original Portuguese was phrased in the conditional which could have meant that they were supposed to have been taken out in the first location, but may not have been.

For example.

so? even if you had it right which i doubt, that has nothng to do with problematic witness statements but more to do with ferrymans conspiracy theories about mr grime

Ps pls provide the cite where amaral said that

[G-Unit]

From Joaquim Baptista's statement:

Later, between 22.00 and 22.30, when the witness was in the kitchen, he was informed by a colleague that in the meantime a client had entered the restaurant shouting and that afterwards the whole English had left in a panic. The witness’s colleague told him that this individual had said that a child had disappeared. A few minutes later the witness noticed great agitation, with many people everywhere searching for the child.


This sounds like frantic activity by the Tapas Group to me, or was the waiter mistaken?

Many people? There were four/five of the group who searched. Fiona didn't go back into the Tapas, nor did Russell and Matthew, David and Gerry reportedly did. Not many of them, then. I think the waiter saw the beginnings of the MW child search procedure.

[G-Unit]

More from Dianne Webster:

To me this sounds like there was quite a hullabaloo going on, but has Dianne Webster told the truth?  If not why would she lie about something like this?

That would be the MW searchers she heard.

[G-Unit]

From Vitor Dos Santos statement:

With regard to the date of the disappearance on 3rd May 2007, he remembers that at 22.00/22.15 he received a phone call from the reception, from receptionist Helder, who told him that John Hill was extremely agitated as a child had disappeared and that the GNR had been contacted but had not arrived yet. He added (the receptionist) that he had phoned the GNR post several times and that he had been told that they would arrive when they could but that they were investigating a theft in Odiaxere. The receptionist asked the witness whether he should contact the PSP, to which the witness replied no as this area belongs to the GNR.

Given the circumstances, the witness thought it best to go to the resort to find out more about the situation.

When he arrived at the scene about 10 to 15 minutes later, he immediately went to the reception where the GNR were present, taking a statement from the girl’s father.

So according to this witness he was categorically told the police had been called "several times" - was he lying or had he been lied to?

1. He did not get a call from Helder at all that night.
2. If Helder contacted him without using the main phone line at the time quoted John Hill hadn't arrived at the Ocean Club yet.
3. the first call to the police was at 10.41pm.
4. The GNR arrived at around 11pm.

[Mr Gray]

A) who said the mccanns would never use that phrase, nothng wring with it, it means sociable and no problems with other kids
B) you arent keeping up...the discussion is about discrepancies
C) nothing wrong with a translator putting down their interpretation, thats what they are employed to do
D) it is obvious to me the translator was putting the crux down as the wirds are exactly the same, but thats all that matters

anythng else?

yes...as you have admitted...these are the word of the intepterer and not the mccanns...and you bizarrely claim it is the interpreters job to put her own interpretation on the statements

[Alfred R Jones]

1. He did not get a call from Helder at all that night.
2. If Helder contacted him without using the main phone line at the time quoted John Hill hadn't arrived at the Ocean Club yet.
3. the first call to the police was at 10.41pm.
4. The GNR arrived at around 11pm.

So he's lying then?

[Alfred R Jones]

Many people? There were four/five of the group who searched. Fiona didn't go back into the Tapas, nor did Russell and Matthew, David and Gerry reportedly did. Not many of them, then. I think the waiter saw the beginnings of the MW child search procedure.

So there was no frantic activity by the Tapas group that night?

[Alfred R Jones]

That would be the MW searchers she heard.

but definitely not the Tapas group?

[G-Unit]

There was no frantic activity by the Tapas Group after the alarm was raised. There was frantic activity by Matthew, Russell and David, according to their statements.

Fiona initially went round the block then stayed in the apartment with Kate.

Gerry was seen searching the Tapas area by a waiter. By 10.15-10.20 he was back in the apartment according to Dianne. He was there at 10.30 according to Mrs Fenn.

John Hill arrived at 10.30pm. After a while he went to the main reception to check that the police had been called. Fifteen minutes later he went to the apartment (about five minutes to 11 then). Gerry was there.

Rachael said that on arrival at the apartment after the alarm was raised Kate, Gerry, Fiona and David went in. She, Matthew and Russell stayed at the bottom of the steps. Russell and Matthew searched the garden, then she and Matthew went to check on Grace. Then he went to reception to call the police and Russell and David went off to search the roads. Around 10.30pm she and Gerry checked the upper floors of the block.

On the night of the disappearance he always saw the McCanns together in the apartment they were occupying at the time, with the exception of an episode when Gerry went to the main 24 hour reception with the purpose of speaking to a GNR officer, he is not sure at what time this occurred, but it was certainly before 24.00.

The GNR arrived at 11pm and Gerry stayed in the apartment after that.

It seems that any frantic activity was limited to Matthew, Russell and David, with Gerry taking part from 10.05 to 10.15 and possibly from 10.35 to 10.55.

[Alfred R Jones]

So there we have it.  There was no frantic activity by the Tapas Group after the alarm was raised.  With the exception of 4 of them (and possibly Gerry) they were all calm, laid back, cool as cucumbers.

Glad we got that sorted out then!

[Angelo222]

So there we have it.  There was no frantic activity by the Tapas Group after the alarm was raised.  With the exception of 4 of them (and possibly Gerry) they were all calm, laid back, cool as cucumbers.

Glad we got that sorted out then!

Wouldn't you be frantic if a child belonging to one of your friends disappeared while you were all on holiday together and you had children too who could be at risk?