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Offline Benice

Re: Why didn't the dogs alert to any of Gerry's clothing?
« Reply #15 on: March 11, 2016, 11:26:39 PM »
Erm .....but there's no suggestion that Kate changed her clothes - so why didn't Eddie alert in the Payne's apartment where she stayed for hours not long after Madeleine had disappeared. 
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The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Alfred R Jones

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Re: Why didn't the dogs alert to any of Gerry's clothing?
« Reply #16 on: March 11, 2016, 11:29:57 PM »
Erm .....but there's no suggestion that Kate changed her clothes - so why didn't Eddie alert in the Payne's apartment where she stayed for hours not long after Madeleine had disappeared.
These are mere details that I'm sure I can explain away if I think really, really hard about it and cobble together some cockamamie reason for it...
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Alfred R Jones

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Re: Why didn't the dogs alert to any of Gerry's clothing?
« Reply #17 on: March 11, 2016, 11:32:48 PM »
I can see one t-shirt of his that I think Eddie alerted to along with Kate's pants and the kids red t-shirt. I see no fleece worn on 4 May or beige pants. Amaral wanted to send Eddie into their house in England for further investigation.
Is that in the report?

Offline Benice

Re: Why didn't the dogs alert to any of Gerry's clothing?
« Reply #18 on: March 11, 2016, 11:42:35 PM »
The cynic might suggest there was a (particular) bias (conspiracy?) against Kate?

Yes what a stroke of luck that Eddie alerted to Kate's clothes and to a child's T-shirt which IIRC was claimed by the PJ to belong to Madeleine - even though it was obviously a boy's top and belonged to Sean.

The fact that all the clothes that were alerted to -  just happened by some strange coincidence to have come out of the same box should have raised a few eyebrows and prompted a few questions.     The chances of that happening by sheer coincidence must be millions to one.

IMO


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The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline Admin

Re: Why didn't the dogs alert to any of Gerry's clothing?
« Reply #19 on: March 12, 2016, 01:43:21 AM »
So, apparently this has all been explained before but I must have missed it or not understood it, therefore could we please have an expert give us the science behind this, ie: why did the dog fail to alert to clothing worn by someone who allegedly carried a body around town, clothing which appeared not to leave any residual scent on any other clothing owned by this man, nor on the sofa where the man's jacket was apparently flung after committing the heinous deed.

An interesting question Alfred but what interests me more is why Eddie alerted only to Kate's clothing and not to Gerry's given that they were all packed together and not forensically isolated?
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Offline pegasus

Re: Why didn't the dogs alert to any of Gerry's clothing?
« Reply #20 on: March 12, 2016, 02:48:48 AM »
(snip) ...a child's T-shirt which IIRC was claimed by the PJ to belong to Madeleine ...(snip)
Are you talking about the red aeroplane T-shirt with a label that says "For Ages 2 to 3, Height 98cm"?

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Why didn't the dogs alert to any of Gerry's clothing?
« Reply #21 on: March 12, 2016, 09:04:52 AM »
The alerts are absolutely meaningless...Maddie may or may not have died in the apartment...the so called alerts tell us nothing

Alfred R Jones

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Re: Why didn't the dogs alert to any of Gerry's clothing?
« Reply #22 on: March 12, 2016, 10:40:51 AM »
Clothing which may have been, by then, neatly folded in a drawer in a rather tasteless new built somewhere in Leceistershire.
but only after contaminating all the other clothes they had been folded up next to in their rather tasteful Portuguese rental villa...

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Why didn't the dogs alert to any of Gerry's clothing?
« Reply #23 on: March 12, 2016, 10:38:51 PM »
A dead body can go undetected before the smell is noticed. A few days after death, bacteria and enzymes start the process of breaking down their host.
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Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Alfred R Jones

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Re: Why didn't the dogs alert to any of Gerry's clothing?
« Reply #24 on: March 12, 2016, 10:44:24 PM »
A dead body can go undetected before the smell is noticed. A few days after death, bacteria and enzymes start the process of breaking down their host.
You are all over the place.  How long does it take before a dead body emits cadaver odour scent detectable by a dog on surfaces it has come into contact with?

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Why didn't the dogs alert to any of Gerry's clothing?
« Reply #25 on: March 12, 2016, 11:19:53 PM »
You are all over the place.  How long does it take before a dead body emits cadaver odour scent detectable by a dog on surfaces it has come into contact with?

All over the place in your dreams. Why don't you read up on it? A dog can detect the chemicals in body change quickly after death. The decomposition process begins immediately after death.



Surprisingly, some of the gases that make up the whole bouquet of death were actually quite pleasant – including hexanal and butanol. Hexane is associated with the smell of freshly-mown grass and butanol smells of leaf litter and forest floors. These are present in the earliest stages of decomposition and then reappear in the very final stage, known as skeletonisation. In addition, in the first few days after death, these are accompanied by the smell of hexadecanoic acid, which is often said to smell like “old people’s homes”.

Some of the worst smells come somewhere in the middle of the decomposition process. Chemicals released during the bloat stage, which occurs about a week after death (depending on the surrounding conditions), when intestinal bacteria are reproducing uncontrollably and producing vast amounts of farty gases, are more likely to have you reaching for the sick bucket.

http://theconversation.com/the-smell-of-death-its-chemical-pattern-could-become-a-powerful-forensic-tool-47966
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Alfred R Jones

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Re: Why didn't the dogs alert to any of Gerry's clothing?
« Reply #26 on: March 12, 2016, 11:23:10 PM »
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Offline pathfinder73

Re: Why didn't the dogs alert to any of Gerry's clothing?
« Reply #27 on: March 12, 2016, 11:30:14 PM »
Eddie would recognise it. Read the following link.

The E.V.R.D. will locate cadaver, whether in the whole or parts thereof; deposited surface or sub-surface to a depth of approximately 3-4 feet shortly after death to the advanced stages of deposition and putrefaction through to skeletal.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES_PERSONAL.htm
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Alfred R Jones

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Re: Why didn't the dogs alert to any of Gerry's clothing?
« Reply #28 on: March 12, 2016, 11:37:54 PM »
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Alfred R Jones

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Re: Why didn't the dogs alert to any of Gerry's clothing?
« Reply #29 on: March 13, 2016, 12:17:36 AM »
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