Why didn't the dogs alert to any of Gerry's clothing?

[Benice]

In the Panorama footage by JC lots of clothing etc is drying on racks on the patio just outside the dining area, that footage was taken on 2 Aug, and the villa search was later on 2 Aug.

It would be helpful to know whether the contents of individual boxes/cases were listed separately.  Do we have that info?

(Sorry don't have time to look myself - must go out now - I'm late!)

[Brietta]

In the Panorama footage by JC lots of clothing etc is drying on racks on the patio just outside the dining area, that footage was taken on 2 Aug, and the villa search was later on 2 Aug.

Interesting that the soft toy was 'boxed up' by the PJ before the family exited the villa.


**Snip

CORNER: They took most of their clothing, they were taking even the wet clothes out of the washing machine. I was aware that the cuddlecat was boxed up and we were asked to leave the villa.

BILTON: The crew?

CORNER: Everybody.

BILTON: So they searched the whole villa?

CORNER: Yes.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/panorama/7106086.stm

[G-Unit]

Interesting that the soft toy was 'boxed up' by the PJ before the family exited the villa.


**Snip

CORNER: They took most of their clothing, they were taking even the wet clothes out of the washing machine. I was aware that the cuddlecat was boxed up and we were asked to leave the villa.

BILTON: The crew?

CORNER: Everybody.

BILTON: So they searched the whole villa?

CORNER: Yes.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/panorama/7106086.stm

The search warrant;

Before proceeding to effect the search, copy of the dispatch attached determining who had access to the place, mentioning that they can be present during the search and be accompanied or substituted by someone of confidence will be delivered. If the persons in reference are not present, copy of the dispatch can be delivered where possible to a family member, neighbour, caretaker or whoever acts as substitute, article 176, n 1 and 2 of the CPP.

All information will be included in the process files.

Location of Inquiry:

?McCann family residence?, respective garages and annexes, situated in Vista Mar, Luz Parque, Praia da Luz, if necessary with forced entry.

Signed and sealed

Judge Anjos Frias

[pegasus]

Interesting that the soft toy was 'boxed up' by the PJ before the family exited the villa.


**Snip

CORNER: They took most of their clothing, they were taking even the wet clothes out of the washing machine. I was aware that the cuddlecat was boxed up and we were asked to leave the villa.

BILTON: The crew?

CORNER: Everybody.

BILTON: So they searched the whole villa?

CORNER: Yes.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/panorama/7106086.stm

Thanks Brietta. If the residents left the villa as soon as the search people and dog arrived, the residents would not have seen the cat being boxed up. So there is a timing mystery. Not the only one that day.

[G-Unit]

Interesting that the soft toy was 'boxed up' by the PJ before the family exited the villa.


**Snip

CORNER: They took most of their clothing, they were taking even the wet clothes out of the washing machine. I was aware that the cuddlecat was boxed up and we were asked to leave the villa.

BILTON: The crew?

CORNER: Everybody.

BILTON: So they searched the whole villa?

CORNER: Yes.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/panorama/7106086.stm

Dated 3rd August and signed by Gerry McCann;

TERMS OF DELIVERY

On 3rd August 2007 in Praia da Luz, Gerlad McCann, resident in Rua das Flores 27 appeared before me Joao Carlos and Inspector Freitas according to written dispatch?and delivered the following:

1. One soft toy, made of pink coloured material, make Cuddle Cut with a wooden rosary and a green ribbon.
2. Four boxes containing clothes, shoes, suitcases and travel bags.
3. Two suitcases containing clothes, shoes, suitcases and travel bags.
4. One Bible.
5. Two diaries.
6. One note pad.
7. One pair of rubber gloves.

The present Terms of Delivery were elaborated and will be signed.

Signed

Gerald McCann

[pegasus]

Aug 2nd. "At 6pm-ish, the inspectors knocked on the door. Kate and Gerry were giving the twins a bath in the exterior pool. Surprisingly, they both reacted well to the search warrant and in a forthright and open way gave unlimited access to the investigators." (Amaral book)
At what stage after this did the residents leave?

[pathfinder73]

IMO it's an amazing co-incidence that not a single soul out of the thousands of people who must have stayed in the other apartments, apparently ever bled or left residual scents of any other alertable cellular material  - which Martin Grime assures us his dogs would alert to - even decades after they were deposited and even if they were not visible to the naked eye, and were too minute to be detected by forensic examination.

Also may I ask you Angelo  - what is your opinon of Martin Grime's observation that every item of clothing alerted to  in the gym had all been packed in the same box?    What are of the chances of that happening by sheer co-incidence?

Your reply would be appreciated.

Eddie goes in first looking for evidence of death not evidence of a shaving cut. His job is to find cadaver scent. Keela the blood dog is only used if he alerts.

[ferryman]

Eddie goes in first looking for evidence of death not evidence of a shaving cut. His job is to find cadaver scent. Keela the blood dog is only used if he alerts.

Inspection in the gym

Keela deployed first (without alerting).

Eddie deployed anyway.

Why was Keela deployed first?

And why was Eddie deployed at all?

[pathfinder73]

It's so easy to be a sceptic if you adopt the theory that anything Kate or Gerry said which suits your agenda - is set in stone, but anything they said which doesn't fit in with your agenda -  has to be considered as -  shall we say..... 'unreliable'.

Tell me G - if Gerry had said he was wearing light coloured trousers, a dark top and shoes on the evening of the 3rd May- would you still be saying...... ''We know what Gerry said he wore'' (hint hint)     -     or would you be claiming there was irrefutable proof that he wore clothing matching that of Smithman - because he said so?

As I've said before  - anyone can make a case against anybody by using those 'tactics.

How naive. You ask other witnesses like Jes Wilkins and others present at the tapas restaurant - the Carpenters etc.

[G-Unit]

It's so easy to be a sceptic if you adopt the theory that anything Kate or Gerry said which suits your agenda - is set in stone, but anything they said which doesn't fit in with your agenda -  has to be considered as -  shall we say..... 'unreliable'.

Tell me G - if Gerry had said he was wearing light coloured trousers, a dark top and shoes on the evening of the 3rd May- would you still be saying...... ''We know what Gerry said he wore'' (hint hint)     -     or would you be claiming there was irrefutable proof that he wore clothing matching that of Smithman - because he said so?

As I've said before  - anyone can make a case against anybody by using those 'tactics.

Unlike some I have no 'agenda' Benice. I don't take anything for granted, that's all. There's a discrepancy between what Gerry McCann said he wore and how his outfit was described by the only independent witness who commented. I don't know who was right, but because of it I had to challenge your statement that 'we all know etc' because we all don't.

[pathfinder73]

Inspection in the gym

Keela deployed first (without alerting).

Eddie deployed anyway.

Why was Keela deployed first?

And why was Eddie deployed at all?

Why was Keela deployed first on clothes? To rule out blood.

[ferryman]

Why was Keela deployed first on clothes? To rule out blood.

What would blood, in microscopic quantities (it would have to be microscopic, because if, in quantities sufficiently large to be discernible to the human eye, there would be no need of a dog) have proved?

[ferryman]

And clothing Eddie could find no hint of a trace of scent on in the villa was packed into bog-standard cardboard boxes (with zero regard to principles of cross-contamination) for a second inspection at the gym.

And lo!

Clothing devoid of scent (discernible to Eddie) in the villa suddenly yields a scent (he can detect) in the gym.

All most odd ....

[stephen25000]

And clothing Eddie could find no hint of a trace of scent on in the villa was packed into bog-standard cardboard boxes (with zero regard to principles of cross-contamination) for a second inspection at the gym.

And lo!

Clothing devoid of scent (discernible to Eddie) in the villa suddenly yields a scent (he can detect) in the gym.

All most odd ....

So you're an expert in dogs ?

[misty]

So you're an expert in dogs ?

You don't have to be a dog to smell a rat.