Author Topic: Why didn't the dogs alert to any of Gerry's clothing?  (Read 118655 times)

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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Why didn't the dogs alert to any of Gerry's clothing?
« Reply #225 on: March 21, 2016, 11:12:49 AM »
Could you please refrain from making personal comments towards anyone who has a different opinion.

Mr Grime is on record as stating that there is "no evidential reliability" associated with the dog alerts.  In essence, this means that although the dogs were trained to alert to substances associated with deceased persons, there is no way of knowing for sure if that is what they alerted to in this case.  He went on to state that unless the alerts are backed up by independent forensic evidence, no conclusion can be drawn from them.

excellent post...confirming no conclusions can be drawn from the alerts...yet that is exactly what posters on here are doing

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Why didn't the dogs alert to any of Gerry's clothing
« Reply #226 on: March 21, 2016, 11:14:22 AM »
Eddie's barking suggests there was. There is definitely no evidence that there wasn't.

suggests is a very vague word and as admin confirms no conclusions can be drawn from the alerts

Offline xtina

Re: Why didn't the dogs alert to any of Gerry's clothing?
« Reply #227 on: March 21, 2016, 11:18:23 AM »
Could you please refrain from making personal comments towards anyone who has a different opinion.

Mr Grime is on record as stating that there is "no evidential reliability" associated with the dog alerts.  In essence, this means that although the dogs were trained to alert to substances associated with deceased persons, there is no way of knowing for sure if that is what they alerted to in this case.  He went on to state that unless the alerts are backed up by independent forensic evidence, no conclusion can be drawn from them.

 He went on to state that unless the alerts are backed up by independent forensic evidence, no conclusion can be drawn from them.


do you reckon that could mean such as... maddies body ...etc
Always listen to both sides of the story before you judge.

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Offline G-Unit

Re: Why didn't the dogs alert to any of Gerry's clothing
« Reply #228 on: March 21, 2016, 11:39:29 AM »
suggests is a very vague word and as admin confirms no conclusions can be drawn from the alerts

Suggest means 'put forward for consideration', which is exactly what I meant to say. I have drawn no conclusions except that the alerts should be borne in mind in case other indications or evidences arise which point in the same direction.

None of the material gathered during an investigation is discarded until a particular line of inquiry emerges as the most likely explanation of what happened. The information we have at the moment doesn't point strongly in any particular direction in my opinion.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Why didn't the dogs alert to any of Gerry's clothing
« Reply #229 on: March 21, 2016, 12:07:06 PM »
Suggest means 'put forward for consideration', which is exactly what I meant to say. I have drawn no conclusions except that the alerts should be borne in mind in case other indications or evidences arise which point in the same direction.

None of the material gathered during an investigation is discarded until a particular line of inquiry emerges as the most likely explanation of what happened. The information we have at the moment doesn't point strongly in any particular direction in my opinion.

according to SY it points to stranger involvement...abduction...murder and they are the ones that count

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Re: Why didn't the dogs alert to any of Gerry's clothing?
« Reply #230 on: March 21, 2016, 12:07:26 PM »
He went on to state that unless the alerts are backed up by independent forensic evidence, no conclusion can be drawn from them.


do you reckon that could mean such as... maddies body ...etc

I believe what he meant was forensic evidence gathered from both objects and zones in which the alerts took place.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Why didn't the dogs alert to any of Gerry's clothing?
« Reply #231 on: March 21, 2016, 12:08:04 PM »
He went on to state that unless the alerts are backed up by independent forensic evidence, no conclusion can be drawn from them.


do you reckon that could mean such as... maddies body ...etc

doesn't matter what I think he means...his statement is very clear

Offline G-Unit

Re: Why didn't the dogs alert to any of Gerry's clothing
« Reply #232 on: March 21, 2016, 12:14:11 PM »
according to SY it points to stranger involvement...abduction...murder and they are the ones that count

In actual fact the PJ are the ones that count. The disappearance happened in their country and they are the ones who would be most likely to bring any prosecutions. SY can only prosecute British citizens and can only prosecute them in certain cases.
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Re: Why didn't the dogs alert to any of Gerry's clothing
« Reply #233 on: March 21, 2016, 12:17:36 PM »
In actual fact the PJ are the ones that count. The disappearance happened in their country and they are the ones who would be most likely to bring any prosecutions. SY can only prosecute British citizens and can only prosecute them in certain cases.

i would say taht as far as the investigation is going it is SY that counts as the PJ do not seem to have interviewed anyone

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Re: Why didn't the dogs alert to any of Gerry's clothing
« Reply #234 on: March 21, 2016, 12:22:49 PM »
In actual fact the PJ are the ones that count. The disappearance happened in their country and they are the ones who would be most likely to bring any prosecutions. SY can only prosecute British citizens and can only prosecute them in certain cases.

The PJ are the lead-investigators in Madeleine's abduction because she was abducted on Portuguese soil.

If (as I hope, trust and believe) there is full cooperation between the PJ force still investigating Madeleine's abduction and the Scotland Yard team, then they will all be pulling in the same direction (to solve the abduction, bring Madeleine's abductor(s) to book and try to find Madeleine).

Offline G-Unit

Re: Why didn't the dogs alert to any of Gerry's clothing
« Reply #235 on: March 21, 2016, 01:00:03 PM »
The PJ are the lead-investigators in Madeleine's abduction because she was abducted on Portuguese soil.

If (as I hope, trust and believe) there is full cooperation between the PJ force still investigating Madeleine's abduction and the Scotland Yard team, then they will all be pulling in the same direction (to solve the abduction, bring Madeleine's abductor(s) to book and try to find Madeleine).

The Public Ministry issued a press release in October 2013 saying the investigation into Madeleine McCann's disappearance was being re-opened due to new evidentiary elements being identified by the PJ. The PJ said much the same. Neither of them mentioned abduction.
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Re: Why didn't the dogs alert to any of Gerry's clothing
« Reply #236 on: March 21, 2016, 01:41:12 PM »
The Public Ministry issued a press release in October 2013 saying the investigation into Madeleine McCann's disappearance was being re-opened due to new evidentiary elements being identified by the PJ. The PJ said much the same. Neither of them mentioned abduction.

Where is the update on (retired) DCI Andy Redwood's statement that Madeleine was abducted from her bed in a criminal act by strangers?

Offline G-Unit

Re: Why didn't the dogs alert to any of Gerry's clothing
« Reply #237 on: March 21, 2016, 02:11:24 PM »
Where is the update on (retired) DCI Andy Redwood's statement that Madeleine was abducted from her bed in a criminal act by strangers?

If you can cite a direct quote I will answer it. Regardless, SY can say what they like, they're not in charge.
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Offline xtina

Re: Why didn't the dogs alert to any of Gerry's clothing
« Reply #238 on: March 21, 2016, 02:13:12 PM »
Where is the update on (retired) DCI Andy Redwood's statement that Madeleine was abducted from her bed in a criminal act by strangers?

allegedly...........no proof she was though is there  ....crime unknown as they say
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Re: Why didn't the dogs alert to any of Gerry's clothing
« Reply #239 on: March 21, 2016, 02:35:12 PM »
allegedly...........no proof she was though is there  ....crime unknown as they say

You need to brush up on your knowledge of due process (both in Portugal and England).