Author Topic: Why didn't the dogs alert to any of Gerry's clothing?  (Read 118465 times)

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Offline pathfinder73

Re: Why didn't the dogs alert to any of Gerry's clothing?
« Reply #285 on: March 23, 2016, 02:16:43 PM »
1. Private investigators are not the British police

2. Spain is not Portugal; still less Praia da Luz.

3.  The sighting was not at just about the time Madeleine is known to have been abducted.

4. British police use efits (particularly of people, potentially, seen red-handed in the commission of a crime) to assist live and on-going criminal enquiries.

Does that help?

No it's another cop out. McCann investigators produced the Smithman efits same as posh spice efit not British police.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

ferryman

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Re: Why didn't the dogs alert to any of Gerry's clothing?
« Reply #286 on: March 23, 2016, 02:18:47 PM »
And?

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Why didn't the dogs alert to any of Gerry's clothing?
« Reply #287 on: March 23, 2016, 02:20:30 PM »
The efits should have been released in 2008 to track that man down. This was a matter of great urgency not wait for SY to come years later and release them  @)(++(*
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline pegasus

Re: Why didn't the dogs alert to any of Gerry's clothing?
« Reply #288 on: March 23, 2016, 03:22:22 PM »
(snip) ... No cellar, no attic, no outhouses, a sparsely furnished holiday let containing a few kilos of personal possessions required for a week away....(snip)
The apartment was fully furnished.
And the luggage taken into apartment on arrival must have been at least 2x15kg and 2x5kg which would make 40 kg.
« Last Edit: March 23, 2016, 03:27:04 PM by pegasus »

Offline pegasus

Re: Why didn't the dogs alert to any of Gerry's clothing?
« Reply #289 on: March 23, 2016, 03:31:23 PM »
All eye witnesses agree and believe it was Madeleine being carried away towards the beach (snip)
But the girl seen by witness AS was wearing a long-sleeved top Pathfinder so it can't have been the missing girl.
No witness has ever stated they saw any person being removed from the apartment.
« Last Edit: March 23, 2016, 03:33:38 PM by pegasus »

ferryman

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Re: Why didn't the dogs alert to any of Gerry's clothing?
« Reply #290 on: March 23, 2016, 04:56:05 PM »
But the girl seen by witness AS was wearing a long-sleeved top Pathfinder so it can't have been the missing girl.
No witness has ever stated they saw any person being removed from the apartment.

That's by the files as we read them.

Whilst it's true that we have nothing else to go by, I don't take it for granted that everything we read is absolutely correct ....

Offline jassi

Re: Why didn't the dogs alert to any of Gerry's clothing?
« Reply #291 on: March 23, 2016, 05:00:57 PM »
It certainly is a toughie trying to sort the wheat from the chaff.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

ferryman

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Re: Why didn't the dogs alert to any of Gerry's clothing?
« Reply #292 on: March 23, 2016, 05:06:22 PM »
The efits should have been released in 2008 to track that man down. This was a matter of great urgency not wait for SY to come years later and release them  @)(++(*

How long (after the end of January 2008) were the efits produced?

Obviously a period between January and August, maybe after August, in which case it would have been too late for that enquiry.

Also, we don't when the McCanns took custody of the efits.

One thing is clear.

There was no delay in handing the efits to Scotland Yard after Scotland Yard became involved in joint participation (with the PJ) in the second enquiry.

Offline Lace

Re: Why didn't the dogs alert to any of Gerry's clothing?
« Reply #293 on: March 23, 2016, 05:14:38 PM »

Indeed, what is the point of employing detectives to gather evidence and then ignoring it?

Everything had to be handed to the PJ,  it could be that the Private Investigators did not have permission to go public with the e.fits, it was up to the police.

Offline Jean-Pierre

Re: Why didn't the dogs alert to any of Gerry's clothing?
« Reply #294 on: March 23, 2016, 05:15:42 PM »
To get back to the subject of this thread, I would have thought the answer was bleedin' obvious to anyone with an elementary knowledge of biology. 

Offline G-Unit

Re: Why didn't the dogs alert to any of Gerry's clothing?
« Reply #295 on: March 23, 2016, 05:49:38 PM »
How long (after the end of January 2008) were the efits produced?

Obviously a period between January and August, maybe after August, in which case it would have been too late for that enquiry.

Also, we don't when the McCanns took custody of the efits.

One thing is clear.

There was no delay in handing the efits to Scotland Yard after Scotland Yard became involved in joint participation (with the PJ) in the second enquiry.

Oakley began working for them in April and were sacked/contract ended in September. The McCanns got the e-fits in mid-November 2008. The Met got hold of copies of them and that nasty report criticising the Tanner sighting in 2011 after getting a letter from the Fund allowing Exton to hand it all over, allegedly. I wonder why they went to Exton if the McCanns had already handed it all over? The PJ inquiry wasn't reopened until the end of October 2013
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ferryman

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Re: Why didn't the dogs alert to any of Gerry's clothing?
« Reply #296 on: March 23, 2016, 09:28:56 PM »
The McCanns got the e-fits in mid-November 2008

Thank you.

That's the key fact.

The first investigation was shelved in early August 2008,

There was no excuse for releasing the efit publicly before commencement of the second joint enquiry.

And Scotland Yard (obviously in possession of the efits by then) chose the moment of the Crimewatch programme to release it.

No wonder the McCanns sued the hide off The Times (so-called) Insight team (Heidi and Blake) ....

Offline mercury

Re: Why didn't the dogs alert to any of Gerry's clothing?
« Reply #297 on: March 23, 2016, 09:38:48 PM »
So what exactly was it that made them thnk it was a brilliant idea to sit on them for a year? Before telling the police like and thnking it was a great idea to publicise moustache man and posh spice more so
« Last Edit: March 23, 2016, 09:41:12 PM by mercury »

ferryman

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Re: Why didn't the dogs alert to any of Gerry's clothing?
« Reply #298 on: March 23, 2016, 09:47:23 PM »
So what exactly was it that made them thnk it was a brilliant idea to sit on them for a year? Before telling the police like and thnking it was a great idea to publicise moustache man and posh spice more so

No one sat on anything.

The first investigation was shelved on early August 2008.

The McCanns got the efits in November 2008

The McCanns would have been crucified for releasing an e-fit (potentially) of Madleine's abductor in the process of abduction apart from a live and on-going police enquiry.

That is why Scotland Yard, (not the McCanns) chose the moment they did to release the efits, that they had clearly taken possession of (from the McCanns) well before.


Offline pegasus

Re: Why didn't the dogs alert to any of Gerry's clothing?
« Reply #299 on: March 23, 2016, 11:08:39 PM »
...sorry wrong thread)
« Last Edit: March 23, 2016, 11:13:37 PM by pegasus »