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Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: "Charity collectors" data
« Reply #120 on: March 31, 2016, 03:39:19 PM »
Quote from: G-Unit on March 31, 2016, 02:51:57 PM
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As with everything in this case there are questions arising.

Did the Portuguese police tell the Met there was a four fold increase in burglaries?

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This bit intrigues me.  OG reports a 4-fold increase in burglaries.  Based on what?
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Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: "Charity collectors" data
« Reply #121 on: March 31, 2016, 04:06:30 PM »
Quote from: ShiningInLuz on March 31, 2016, 03:39:19 PM
This bit intrigues me.  OG reports a 4-fold increase in burglaries.  Based on what?

Unless the reported increase were based on statements by the Portuguese police, an authorised Mark Warner representative or insurance loss adjusters then one could place little reliance on the comment.
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Offline pegasus

Re: "Charity collectors" data
« Reply #122 on: March 31, 2016, 05:32:53 PM »
It would take a long post to fully explain this deduction, so without any explanation...
IMO an earlier robbery of a nearby apartment possibly (and my deduction from very sparse info might be wrong) required two people one giving a leg up enabling other to reach a shuttered window to apply the opening method explained before. If correct (and it might not be) the important inference for that location at least would be not a lone burglar but a pair of burglars both reasonably young agile and intelligent.
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Offline pegasus

Re: "Charity collectors" data
« Reply #123 on: March 31, 2016, 05:40:07 PM »
From two different nearby apartments is indication that when the wooden door is double-locked. then even from inside is impossible to open without key. Is that correct?
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Offline pegasus

Re: "Charity collectors" data
« Reply #124 on: March 31, 2016, 05:45:30 PM »
Examining the tentative deduction of two burglars working as pair both young and agile, looking next at the reported sighting earlier on 3rd of two people on balcony of 5C, does anyone know how many glass doors and how many windows are on that balcony?
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Offline Eleanor

Re: "Charity collectors" data
« Reply #125 on: March 31, 2016, 05:46:12 PM »
Quote from: pegasus on March 31, 2016, 05:40:07 PM
From two different nearby apartments is indication that when the wooden door is double-locked. then even from inside is impossible to open without key. Is that correct?

Not in my experience of Continental Locks.
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Offline jassi

Re: "Charity collectors" data
« Reply #126 on: March 31, 2016, 05:48:24 PM »
Are continental locks universal, or do they differ from country to country?
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Offline pegasus

Re: "Charity collectors" data
« Reply #127 on: March 31, 2016, 05:51:58 PM »
Quote from: Eleanor on March 31, 2016, 05:46:12 PM
Not in my experience of Continental Locks.
Thanks Eleanor. Does anyone here have a front door which locks just by closing it, and can then be optionally double-locked by inserting key and turning it? When double-locked, can it be opened from inside without key please?
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Offline Brietta

Re: "Charity collectors" data
« Reply #128 on: March 31, 2016, 05:54:54 PM »
Quote from: pegasus on March 31, 2016, 05:40:07 PM
From two different nearby apartments is indication that when the wooden door is double-locked. then even from inside is impossible to open without key. Is that correct?

Snipped from a statement made by a former occupant of 5A


We noticed that the cleaning personnel entered the apartment after one knock and did not give us time to respond. This was a bit bothersome and for this reason we would lock the door, and would leave the key in the inside lock.

After this precaution, the next day, the same thing happened and the cleaning woman entered even though the door was locked with the key in the lock.

We never found out how it was possible for a cleaning woman to enter after we had tried to prevent it.
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Offline pegasus

Re: "Charity collectors" data
« Reply #129 on: March 31, 2016, 05:59:32 PM »
Thanks Brietta what I ask is can the wooden door when doubly-locked be opened without key from inside?
There are IMO indications from 2 nearby apartments that it can't.
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Offline Eleanor

Re: "Charity collectors" data
« Reply #130 on: March 31, 2016, 06:01:10 PM »
Quote from: pegasus on March 31, 2016, 05:51:58 PM
Thanks Eleanor. Does anyone here have a front door which locks just by closing it, and can then be optionally double-locked by inserting key and turning it? When double-locked, can it be opened from inside without key please?

Yes.  And garage doors as well.
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Offline Eleanor

Re: "Charity collectors" data
« Reply #131 on: March 31, 2016, 06:02:18 PM »
Quote from: jassi on March 31, 2016, 05:48:24 PM
Are continental locks universal, or do they differ from country to country?

I don't know.  I only know about France.
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Offline pegasus

Re: "Charity collectors" data
« Reply #132 on: March 31, 2016, 06:41:26 PM »
IMO the wooden external doors of apartments in blocks 5 and 4, if the resident double-locks the door when going out, can't be opened from inside without a key.

This is an important consideration for burglars because if they get in through a window there is a possibility they may not be able to use the wooden door as an exit. IMO possibly this happened at one apartment (not 5A).
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Offline Eleanor

Re: "Charity collectors" data
« Reply #133 on: March 31, 2016, 06:49:00 PM »
Quote from: pegasus on March 31, 2016, 06:41:26 PM
IMO the wooden external doors of apartments in blocks 5 and 4, if the resident double-locks the door when going out, can't be opened from inside without a key.

This is an important consideration for burglars because if they get in through a window there is a possibility they may not be able to use the wooden door as an exit. IMO possibly this happened at one apartment (not 5A).

They could here.  And since the shutters are exactly the same, I have no reason to think that the door locks are different.
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Offline pegasus

Re: "Charity collectors" data
« Reply #134 on: March 31, 2016, 06:58:12 PM »
Ah found first-hand proof, courtesy one of the T7 rogs
"if you only do one lock on the main door then it can be opened from the inside but if you double lock it then you need the key to get in or out”.
This is a confirmer for what I deduced about how a burglary in a nearby apartment (not 5A) was done.
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