Blood spatter? Fact or myth?

[Brietta]

I will dig into this again when I have finished on the "blood spatter" analysis.  But from memory, at least in two instances Amaral was working from a report written by a PJ inspector, where an error crept in at the inspector stage i.e. the summary report itself was inaccurate.

I don't know how many instances of this there may be, though I guess I will be compiling a list of such instances from now on.

Due to the sheer volume of diligences, Amaral had to rely on his officers reporting accurately, rather than ignoring their reports and reading all the base material himself.

It is surprising that Mr Amaral relied on such a summary report from an officer probably no better qualified than he was himself to do so. 

He had access to the best Portuguese scientific personnel who could have given him an accurate interpretation of the information coming in from the FSS or who could have double checked the officer's report.
Neither procedure needed his direct involvement and he would have been assured he was building a case based on verified accurate information.

That simple procedure would have halted the constitution of Madeleine's parents as arguidos.

However I don't think the accuracy of the forensic evidence was his main priority.
Or having made the original error regarding the FSS report in the manner and for the reasons you describe why has he continually compounded it using every means at his disposal for nine years?

[ShiningInLuz]

It is surprising that Mr Amaral relied on such a summary report from an officer probably no better qualified than he was himself to do so. 

He had access to the best Portuguese scientific personnel who could have given him an accurate interpretation of the information coming in from the FSS or who could have double checked the officer's report.
Neither procedure needed his direct involvement and he would have been assured he was building a case based on verified accurate information.

That simple procedure would have halted the constitution of Madeleine's parents as arguidos.

However I don't think the accuracy of the forensic evidence was his main priority.
Or having made the original error regarding the FSS report in the manner and for the reasons you describe why has he continually compounded it using every means at his disposal for nine years?

As a person who was in charge of large teams for multiple years, I had a choice.  I could do 100% of the work they did, re-check it all, or I could delegate and rely on the team.  The max size team I handled was somewhere around 100 people.  I chose to delegate.

As to why Amaral does what he does today, I don't know.  I suppose I need to finish off my blood splatter blog posts and hunt down what Amaral was told about the blood and the dogs.  Topics that are both fascinating and at the same time, I suspect, are going to tell us nothing relevant about the case.  But I could be wrong.

[mercury]

Btw its deleted but jean pierre posted on here that amaral got his info from the 3as forum and blood spatters story emanating from a bbc report that was seen once by some but never repeated or video captured so was not real even if they saw it lol and rememberd the reporters, anyway


The 3_as was created in nov 2007 after amaral left the investigation so nothng to do with him or the investigation at the time when they marked all them spots which was not known until aug/sept 08 for the files to be posted on 3as forum
Silly jp




Maybe huntng down the blood spatter theory story relayed by the bbc mght help

http://missingmadeleine.forumotion.net/t22461-broken-neck

what about all this crap?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-564776/BBC-chiefs-apologise-McCanns-blunder-saw-Madeline-film-scheduled-disappearance-anniversary.html

[Mr Gray]

As a person who was in charge of large teams for multiple years, I had a choice.  I could do 100% of the work they did, re-check it all, or I could delegate and rely on the team.  The max size team I handled was somewhere around 100 people.  I chose to delegate.

As to why Amaral does what he does today, I don't know.  I suppose I need to finish off my blood splatter blog posts and hunt down what Amaral was told about the blood and the dogs.  Topics that are both fascinating and at the same time, I suspect, are going to tell us nothing relevant about the case.  But I could be wrong.

you sem to want to make excuses for the errors amde by amaral. It is quite simple he reached false conclusions from the available evidence...the buck stops with him and there is no one else to blame

[Lace]

Btw its deleted but jean pierre posted on here that amaral got his info from the 3as forum and blood spatters story emanating from a bbc report that was seen once by some but never repeated or video captured so was not real even if they saw it lol and rememberd the reporters, anyway


The 3_as was created in nov 2007 after amaral left the investigation so nothng to do with him or the investigation at the time when they marked all them spots which was not known until aug/sept 08 for the files to be posted on 3as forum
Silly jp




Maybe huntng down the blood spatter theory story relayed by the bbc mght help

http://missingmadeleine.forumotion.net/t22461-broken-neck

what about all this crap?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-564776/BBC-chiefs-apologise-McCanns-blunder-saw-Madeline-film-scheduled-disappearance-anniversary.html

Dear god reading that forum 'missing madeleine',  you can see all the twisted myths that are still being circulated today.

One of them has even got a picture of piles of money on a table in front of the McCann's when it was LETTERS they had in front of them in the original photo before some malicious idiot changed it.

[G-Unit]

Dear god reading that forum 'missing madeleine',  you can see all the twisted myths that are still being circulated today.

One of them has even got a picture of piles of money on a table in front of the McCann's when it was LETTERS they had in front of them in the original photo before some malicious idiot changed it.

Ironic perhaps?

[Alfie]

Dear god reading that forum 'missing madeleine',  you can see all the twisted myths that are still being circulated today.

One of them has even got a picture of piles of money on a table in front of the McCann's when it was LETTERS they had in front of them in the original photo before some malicious idiot changed it.

If it's the picture I'm thinking of, it's actually the McCanns who have been photoshopped into a picture of some women in Palestine counting money on a table. 

[Alfie]

Ironic perhaps?

What's ironic about it?

[ShiningInLuz]

you sem to want to make excuses for the errors amde by amaral. It is quite simple he reached false conclusions from the available evidence...the buck stops with him and there is no one else to blame

I prefer reality to some form of virtual fantasy world where the expectation is zero errors and 100% success.  Otherwise we'd be discussing your spelling and use of capitals.

You rely on predictive text, which makes errors.  Amaral relied on his team, which made errors.  I know which of these two I would pick.

[Alfie]

I prefer reality to some form of virtual fantasy world where the expectation is zero errors and 100% success.  Otherwise we'd be discussing your spelling and use of capitals.

You rely on predictive text, which makes errors.  Amaral relied on his team, which made errors.  I know which of these two I would pick.

You having a laugh?  I do hope so.

[Mr Gray]

I prefer reality to some form of virtual fantasy world where the expectation is zero errors and 100% success.  Otherwise we'd be discussing your spelling and use of capitals.

You rely on predictive text, which makes errors.  Amaral relied on his team, which made errors.  I know which of these two I would pick.

when I post here i'm not too bothered about predictive text...spelling...punctuation and often post from a phone...because it doesn't matter.
professionally I am meticulous...amaral was sloppy...I know which one i would prefer

again you seem to want to make excuses for his sloppiness.

his book is still being sold containing content he knows not to be true...that is unprofessional and indefensible...yet you and others support him...strange

[Alfie]

Trying to draw a parallel between a police officer's serious errors of judgement (which resulted in the wrong people being investigated whilst the real criminal(s) remained at large) with some poster's grammatical errors really is quite laughable. 

[Alice Purjorick]

when I post here i'm not too bothered about predictive text...spelling...punctuation and often post from a phone...because it doesn't matter.
professionally I am meticulous...amaral was sloppy...I know which one i would prefer

again you seem to want to make excuses for his sloppiness.

his book is still being sold containing content he knows not to be true...that is unprofessional and indefensible...yet you and others support him...strange

There is of course a school of thought that, a tidy mind = a tidy mind regardless of circumstances.
ie it's in your nature to be meticulous or it isn't in your nature and cannot be switched on and off at will.
Meredith Belbin figured that out with his nine types years ago.

[Brietta]

Please may we have a return to our rather gory or in this case not so gory theme of BLOOD SPATTER, thank you folks.

[Mr Gray]

There is of course a school of thought that, a tidy mind = a tidy mind regardless of circumstances.
ie it's in your nature to be meticulous or it isn't in your nature and cannot be switched on and off off at will.
Meredith Belbin figured that out with his nine types years ago.

then the school of thought is wrong and I'm living proof