Can the UK's lost fishing industry be recovered post Brexit?

[John]

Dreamland.

The EU has not wrecked our fishing industry.

Just another myth.

Ask a fisherman Stephen.

[stephen25000]

Ask a fisherman Stephen.

You seem to imply that UK fishermen have the right to fish where they wish and sod everyone else.

Do you want a repeat of the cod war ?

Whatever happens negotiations will have to be made.

[Carana]

You seem to imply that UK fishermen have the right to fish where they wish and sod everyone else.

Do you want a repeat of the cod war ?

Whatever happens negotiations will have to be made.

Well, yes, I'm also scratching my head about the idea that once out of the EU everything will somehow go magically swimmingly well...

[Mr Gray]

Well, yes, I'm also scratching my head about the idea that once out of the EU everything will somehow go magically swimmingly well...

no one has said things will go swimmingly well...its unlike you to misrepresent posters. Most of us hope things will be better and are unhappy with the way the EU is heading....Italy looks like the next basket case. like a lot of things in life it may be difficult at first but better in the medium to long term

[Carana]

no one has said things will go swimmingly well...its unlike you to misrepresent posters. Most of us hope things will be better and are unhappy with the way the EU is heading....Italy looks like the next basket case. like a lot of things in life it may be difficult at first but better in the medium to long term

I was thinking in general terms of what the media has presented as "facts".

There would appear to be facts and lies (on both sides), plus a certain amount of exaggeration (half-truths).

There would also appear to be a certain amount of massaging the truth by airbrushing out whatever isn't "convenient".


Hmmm. Now where have I seen that phenomenon before?  &%+((£


Personally, I prefer to examine the issues (on both sides) as presented on fullfact.org , for example.

[Carana]

I DO happen to feel that this is a scary time, a bit akin to being part of an international space crew mission and waking up landed on the Planet of the Apes with no working button to contact anyone back on Planet Earth.

On the other hand, I have looked into alternative models (Norway, Switzerland) of EU trade... and I just can't see what the positive trade-off might be (not impossible... but I'm having trouble fathoming how it would all work).

And, IMO, it's not just about industrial trade.

If someone in government who actually knows what they're talking about, instead of waffling about unspecified "opportunities", could actually be a teensy-weensy bit more specific, I'd be happy to listen.


NB I should have specified: amongst those who haven't yet abandoned the control towers for a wake / celebration (delete as appropriate).

[Mr Gray]

I was thinking in general terms of what the media has presented as "facts".

There would appear to be facts and lies (on both sides), plus a certain amount of exaggeration (half-truths).

There would also appear to be a certain amount of massaging the truth by airbrushing out whatever isn't "convenient".


Hmmm. Now where have I seen that phenomenon before?  &%+((£


Personally, I prefer to examine the issues (on both sides) as presented on fullfact.org , for example.

I think there is more to it than full fact realise...take free movement of labour. Any EU citizen who comes here is entitled to tax credits and benefits even if their family is not in the UK. They are also entitled to benefits if they do not work. Simple free movement of labour may not be such a problem if we did not have to give all the benefits that go with it

[Carana]

A bit of light relief.... 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DohRa9lsx0Q

[Carana]

I think there is more to it than full fact realise...take free movement of labour. Any EU citizen who comes here is entitled to tax credits and benefits even if their family is not in the UK. They are also entitled to benefits if they do not work. Simple free movement of labour may not be such a problem if we did not have to give all the benefits that go with it

Where did this "emergency brake" negotiation end up? Was it rejected? Accepted? Pending a bit more lower-back scratching?

I haven't had time to check up on it.

[Miss Taken Identity]

Well, yes, I'm also scratching my head about the idea that once out of the EU everything will somehow go magically swimmingly well...

Well, it didn't go swimmingy well when we joined - prices were immediently hiked, our currency was changed to align with the rest of the other countries, no more pounds shillings and pence, we also had to change our measurements...it all started bad and got worse- and we should have left there and then! the sh!t hit the fan. According to my relatives> NO ONE in my family voted for it and told of stories which has come true! it did affect my two uncles fishing fleets and it did affect  my neighbours and cousins  farming, and it did affect the local NHS budget the money was directed else where...social inclusion to reach out to minorities. non jobs to talk nice to people who came here for ....

[Angelo222]

Well, it didn't go swimmingy well when we joined - prices were immediently hiked, our currency was changed to align with the rest of the other countries, no more pounds shillings and pence, we also had to change our measurements...it all started bad and got worse- and we should have left there and then! the sh!t hit the fan. According to my relatives> NO ONE in my family voted for it and told of stories which has come true! it did affect my two uncles fishing fleets and it did affect  my neighbours and cousins  farming, and it did affect the local NHS budget the money was directed else where...social inclusion to reach out to minorities. non jobs to talk nice to people who came here for ....

As far as I am aware nobody in the UK voted to join the EU, us having been co-opted into it by the back door.  It must one of the worst disasters ever to plague this country.

[stephen25000]

As far as I am aware nobody in the UK voted to join the EU, us having been co-opted into it by the back door.  It must one of the worst disasters ever to plague this country.

So tell me Angelo, how have you suffered ?

[Angelo222]

Well, yes, I'm also scratching my head about the idea that once out of the EU everything will somehow go magically swimmingly well...

Would you rather stay in then?

[Angelo222]

So tell me Angelo, how have you suffered ?

The entire country has suffered with inflated Euro prices and tariffs imposed on worldwide imports. Our entire economy has been manipulated to benefit poor undeveloped sods of eastern Europe.

What benefit has the EU brought to you Stephen since you are so quick to defend it?

[stephen25000]

The entire country has suffered with inflated Euro prices and tariffs imposed on worldwide imports. Our entire economy has been manipulated to benefit poor undeveloped sods of eastern Europe.

You can cite that I presume ?

What of the over-inflated prices, say from America and that goes back before the EU/EEC ?

Likewise , what of the other countries in the EU, and the prices they pay ?

Do you remember the link I gave on that a few weeks ago ?