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Offline pathfinder73

Re: A fresh look at Eddie the cadaver dog and those alerts.
« Reply #240 on: August 01, 2016, 07:14:53 PM »
ADRIAN Prout has been found guilty of murdering his estranged wife.

The 47-year-old from Redmarley, near Ledbury, will be sentenced on Monday (Feb 8) at Bristol Crown Court.

The businessman was accused of murdering his wife, Kate Prout, following a dispute over a £800,000 divorce settlement.

Mrs Prout, aged 55, has not been seen since disappearing from their Redhill Farm home on November 5, 2007.

The jury returned a guilty verdict on Prout on Friday afternoon following a three-week trial.

Prout, who denied a count of murder, was told by Judge Nigel Davis to expect a life sentence.

http://www.herefordtimes.com/news/regional/herefordshire/4992238.Businessman_found_guilty_of_murder/?ref=arc
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

ferryman

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Re: A fresh look at Eddie the cadaver dog and those alerts.
« Reply #241 on: August 01, 2016, 08:10:45 PM »
ADRIAN Prout has been found guilty of murdering his estranged wife.

The 47-year-old from Redmarley, near Ledbury, will be sentenced on Monday (Feb 8) at Bristol Crown Court.

The businessman was accused of murdering his wife, Kate Prout, following a dispute over a £800,000 divorce settlement.

Mrs Prout, aged 55, has not been seen since disappearing from their Redhill Farm home on November 5, 2007.

The jury returned a guilty verdict on Prout on Friday afternoon following a three-week trial.

Prout, who denied a count of murder, was told by Judge Nigel Davis to expect a life sentence.

http://www.herefordtimes.com/news/regional/herefordshire/4992238.Businessman_found_guilty_of_murder/?ref=arc

Prout (initially) denied the murder, even after sentence, yes ....

ferryman

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Re: A fresh look at Eddie the cadaver dog and those alerts.
« Reply #242 on: August 01, 2016, 08:15:39 PM »
What does any of this have to with Eddie.

ferryman

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Re: A fresh look at Eddie the cadaver dog and those alerts.
« Reply #243 on: August 01, 2016, 08:19:18 PM »
Was it ever substantiated that the body had ever been in the home? (I haven't followed this case much.)

I think it was (firmly) established (following Prout's conviction) that Kate's body never was ....

Offline mercury

Re: A fresh look at Eddie the cadaver dog and those alerts.
« Reply #244 on: August 01, 2016, 11:34:39 PM »
I think it was (firmly) established (following Prout's conviction) that Kate's body never was ....

You will need a cite for that assertion, ie that Kates body never was in the house,
if true, you still have cadaver scent contaminant possible in some form, so, nthng has been frnly establshed at all, and the only you could possibly have to stress this is to dengrate the cadaver dog alert in thatcase in the silly hope it mght lessen the impact of the alerts in PDL

Offline John

Re: A fresh look at Eddie the cadaver dog and those alerts.
« Reply #245 on: August 01, 2016, 11:48:20 PM »
So Prout didn't confess because he failed the  lie detector then?  And Eddie correctly alerted in the lounge despite the fact the murder occurred elsewhere and there is no account that the body was ever brought into the house?

Really?

Prout did poorly in the lie detector test and when his then girlfriend Debbie Garlick went to visit him in prison afterwards he broke down and confessed to her what he had done.  The police were then called to pursue matters further in an attempt to find Kate's body.

It is true that Kate was strangled in the shooting lodge which was a short distance from the family home.  Prout had a history of violence towards his wife and attempted to strangle her on another occasion.  It was following this earlier assault that Kate said she wanted a divorce and her share of their combined assets.  It was after this that Prout formulated the plan to get rid of his wife.

It has never been made public whether the killing of Kate Prout in the shooting lodge was premeditated or as a result of yet another heated argument which turned violent.  All that we know is that Prout strangled her and wrapped her body in some plastic sheeting and rolled it up in curtains taken from the lodge.  Prout placed the body in the back of his Land Rover while he went to the pub.  He later used one of his mechanical excavators to dig a deep hole in the pheasant pens where he buried Kate's body.  It has never been revealed whether her body was taken into the farm bungalow but then why would he?

The period of time between the strangulation and the burial was more than sufficient for cadaverine to form and thereafter contaminate everything it came into contact with including Adrian Prout and his clothing.
« Last Edit: August 03, 2016, 02:39:21 PM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

ferryman

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Re: A fresh look at Eddie the cadaver dog and those alerts.
« Reply #246 on: August 02, 2016, 09:33:49 AM »
Prout did poorly in the lie detector test and when his then girlfriend Debbie Garlick went to visit him in prison afterwards he broke down and confessed to her what he had done.  The police were then called to pursue matters further in an attempt to find Kate's body.

It is true that Kate was strangled in the shooting lodge which was a short distance from the family home.  Prout had a history of violence towards his wife and attempted to strangle her on another occasion.  It was following this earlier assault that Kate said she wanted a divorce and her share of their combined assets.  It was after this that Prout formulated the plan to get rid of his wife.

It has never been made public whether the killing of Kate Prout in the shooting lodge was premeditated or as a result of yet another heated argumet which turned violent.  All that we know is that Prout strangled her and wrapped her body in some plastic sheeting and rolled it up in curtains taken from the lodge.  Prout placed the body in the back of his Land Rover while he went to the pub.  He later used one of his mechanical excavators to dig a deep hole in the pheasant pens where he buried Kate's body.  It has never been revealed whether her body was taken into the farm bungalow but then why would he?

The period of time between the strangulation and the burial was more than sufficient for cadaverine to form and thereafter contaminate everything it came into contact with including Adrian Prout and his clothing.

In the Prout case (unlike in PdL) there was no inspection (let alone re-inspection) of clothing.

Grime was operating in (more) conventional UK cadaver-dog deployment mode.

Unlike in PdL ....

Alfie

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Re: A fresh look at Eddie the cadaver dog and those alerts.
« Reply #247 on: August 02, 2016, 10:45:52 AM »
Prout did poorly in the lie detector test and when his then girlfriend Debbie Garlick went to visit him in prison afterwards he broke down and confessed to her what he had done.  The police were then called to pursue matters further in an attempt to find Kate's body.

It is true that Kate was strangled in the shooting lodge which was a short distance from the family home.  Prout had a history of violence towards his wife and attempted to strangle her on another occasion.  It was following this earlier assault that Kate said she wanted a divorce and her share of their combined assets.  It was after this that Prout formulated the plan to get rid of his wife.

It has never been made public whether the killing of Kate Prout in the shooting lodge was premeditated or as a result of yet another heated argumet which turned violent.  All that we know is that Prout strangled her and wrapped her body in some plastic sheeting and rolled it up in curtains taken from the lodge.  Prout placed the body in the back of his Land Rover while he went to the pub.  He later used one of his mechanical excavators to dig a deep hole in the pheasant pens where he buried Kate's body.  It has never been revealed whether her body was taken into the farm bungalow but then why would he?

The period of time between the strangulation and the burial was more than sufficient for cadaverine to form and thereafter contaminate everything it came into contact with including Adrian Prout and his clothing.
Odd then that the dog didn't alert in the two places that we know the corpse lay,  only in one place that we have no evidence that it ever lay.

Offline pathfinder73

Re: A fresh look at Eddie the cadaver dog and those alerts.
« Reply #248 on: August 02, 2016, 02:49:07 PM »
Odd then that the dog didn't alert in the two places that we know the corpse lay,  only in one place that we have no evidence that it ever lay.

Depends if he moved the body quickly after death into the boot of his Land Rover.

"Rex Stockham testified that dogs have been able to smell the odor of decomposition as soon as 2 hours after a victim's death, or years after a victim's burial."
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Alfie

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Re: A fresh look at Eddie the cadaver dog and those alerts.
« Reply #249 on: August 02, 2016, 03:31:18 PM »
Depends if he moved the body quickly after death into the boot of his Land Rover.

"Rex Stockham testified that dogs have been able to smell the odor of decomposition as soon as 2 hours after a victim's death, or years after a victim's burial."
The body lay in his Land Rover which he drove to the pub, where he spent the evening drinking and then home again to find a place to bury the body.  No dog alert in the Land Rover.

Offline pathfinder73

Re: A fresh look at Eddie the cadaver dog and those alerts.
« Reply #250 on: August 02, 2016, 05:01:07 PM »
The body lay in his Land Rover which he drove to the pub, where he spent the evening drinking and then home again to find a place to bury the body.  No dog alert in the Land Rover.

Eddie searched the home as shown in the documentary. I've read nothing about him searching the Land Rover.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Alfie

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Re: A fresh look at Eddie the cadaver dog and those alerts.
« Reply #251 on: August 02, 2016, 05:57:46 PM »
Eddie searched the home as shown in the documentary. I've read nothing about him searching the Land Rover.
I'm sure he searched other places that just the house, don't you think?  Or do you think the police didn't bother with land, outhouses and vehicles?  That would be very remiss of them don't you think?

Offline pegasus

Re: A fresh look at Eddie the cadaver dog and those alerts.
« Reply #252 on: August 02, 2016, 11:16:21 PM »
What is your best guesstimate of the suitcase dimensions please, Pegasus?
By scaling from object of known dimension: about 51cm high x about 32cm wide IMO Misty. Next the length can be guesstimated by observing that luggage of this type typically has length = about 1.5 times height, so about 75cm long. IMO net capacity about 100 litres.

ferryman

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Re: A fresh look at Eddie the cadaver dog and those alerts.
« Reply #253 on: August 02, 2016, 11:21:57 PM »
Eddie searched the home as shown in the documentary. I've read nothing about him searching the Land Rover.

Have you read anything about the landrover?

Offline mercury

Re: A fresh look at Eddie the cadaver dog and those alerts.
« Reply #254 on: August 02, 2016, 11:26:42 PM »
Have you read anything about the landrover?

One good thing about the portuguese system is the freedom of information vis a vis released police files in closed cases, granted thugh that personal info not being redacted is a bit iffy