Cuddlecat and those claimed alerts.

[Robittybob1]

Under the video in your link is the list of apartments the dogs were sent to, and who were the occupants, 5g was not a part of the search

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id167.html

This first video contains footage of Eddie and Keela's searches in the following apartments:

5A - The McCanns apartment (28 April - 03 May 2007)
5B - Matthew/Rachael Oldfield
5D - Russell O'Brien/Jane Tanner
H5 - David/Fiona Payne and Dianne Webster
4G - The McCanns' second Ocean Club apartment (04 May - 01 July 2007)
5A - Search of the gardens and veranda area

[Robittybob1]

There is more than the usual form of indication, standing and barking, but also playing with toy (as in Cuddle Cat) and as you say digging.  They are all very natural indications a dog has found a target.
Even if they are trained to do one thing these other aspects can't be ignored.

[misty]

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If you watch the cadaver dog video carefully, you will note that the handler first opens the far cupboard door located beside where Eddie had stood, barking. The handler must have expected to find the scent source, CC, within that cupboard. But CC wasn't in that cupboard - it was then produced from the cupboard nearest to the cameraman. Why was that do you suppose?

[Robittybob1]

If you watch the cadaver dog video carefully, you will note that the handler first opens the far cupboard door located beside where Eddie had stood, barking. The handler must have expected to find the scent source, CC, within that cupboard. But CC wasn't in that cupboard - it was then produced from the cupboard nearest to the cameraman. Why was that do you suppose?

What have you got in mind?  I'll have another look at it in the morning.  12:15 AM here.  But tell me what you are thinking so I have an idea what to look out for please.

[Lace]

agreed, there is more than the usual form of indication, standing and barking, but also playing with toy (as in Cuddle Cat) and as you say digging.  They are all very natural indications a dog has found a target.
Even if they are trained to do one thing these other aspects can't be ignored.

A cadaver dog is trained to alert to the scent of cadaver,  Eddie was trained to bark as his alert not play with something,  he played with CC tossing it into the air, no barking.

[misty]

What have you got in mind?  I'll have another look at it in the morning.  12:15 AM here.  But tell me what you are thinking so I have an idea what to look out for please.

IMO the handler misinterpreted what his dog was alerting to.
Try watching the whole CC sequence using quick repeated freeze frame & you will have a whole new perspective on the alert.

[sadie]

If you watch the cadaver dog video carefully, you will note that the handler first opens the far cupboard door located beside where Eddie had stood, barking. The handler must have expected to find the scent source, CC, within that cupboard. But CC wasn't in that cupboard - it was then produced from the cupboard nearest to the cameraman. Why was that do you suppose?

Well done misty   

Had an awful struggle to find how to slow frame the images, but finally managed it.

As you say Eddie alerted above the first door that Martin slid open and this was not the actual cupboard that CC was in, although they did open into each other.

Watching the video run at 0.25 speed rather than normal, it was pretty obvious that the loose piece of paper on the top of the pile of folders /clothes was what interested Eddie.  His nose virtually touched it as he started barking.

So where did that piece of paper come from?  Where had it been, or what had been done to it, to make it smell of pig, blood or Cadervine?


Anyone know where it came from, or who it belonged to?

[Robittybob1]

Well done misty   

Had an awful struggle to find how to slow frame the images, but finally managed it.

As you say Eddie alerted above the first door that Martin slid open and this was not the actual cupboard that CC was in, although they did open into each other.

Watching the video run at 0.25 speed rather than normal, it was pretty obvious that the loose piece of paper on the top of the pile of folders /clothes was what interested Eddie.  His nose virtually touched it as he started barking.

So where did that piece of paper come from?  Where had it been, or what had been done to it, to make it smell of pig, blood or Cadervine?


Anyone know where it came from, or who it belonged to?

This sounds important.  Is this the same incident as you saw Misty? 
The other thing to do is for us to stop the video at the important frame and record its location and post this on the thread so we all can identify the exact spot that each of us are talking about.
But slowing the speed of the playback is also a very good method enabling us to see more  at each moment.
A piece of paper could be a note written by someone.  Under sundries exhibits - there was a piece of paper found outside the apartment. Was it outside 5A?

[Robittybob1]

At 1:47 into the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qG21K6XJRg [note: set it on 25% playback speed] Eddie goes beside the couch and reaches for a toy on top of a metal canister and tips the canister over and stuff is spilt onto the floor.  Is this the incident that is described as "Eddie playing with CC?"

[Robittybob1]

By 1:53 Eddie has carried and dropped CC in the middle of the floor of the lounge.  The paws are lighter in colour compared to the body and there appears to be a dark band around it neck plus something shiny.

[Robittybob1]

By 2:08 the cameraman has had several quick shots emphasising Cuddle Cat rather than following Eddie.  Was that his intention?  Very useful for us, thanks cameraman.

[Robittybob1]

At 2:52 Eddie spends a lot of time checking a particular area under the double bed (main bedroom) directly adjacent to the  double doored wardrobe.

But some time prior to that immediately after 2:08 Eddie sniffs Martins hand, has he picked up cuddle cat and now Eddie is going for the place where CC had been?  That is what it looks like to me.

[ Speculation removed ]

[misty]

Well, we'll leave to decide if the toy Eddie pulled out of the canister (he did also toss it around but someone helpfully deleted that from the original video uploaded) is the one and only Cuddlecat.

We have never actually established what the pile of items was on the worktop which Eddie first alerted to - Pegasus thought it was clothes but I disagreed, seeing the items as books/folders of some description.

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[misty]

Well done misty   

Had an awful struggle to find how to slow frame the images, but finally managed it.

As you say Eddie alerted above the first door that Martin slid open and this was not the actual cupboard that CC was in, although they did open into each other.

Watching the video run at 0.25 speed rather than normal, it was pretty obvious that the loose piece of paper on the top of the pile of folders /clothes was what interested Eddie.  His nose virtually touched it as he started barking.

So where did that piece of paper come from?  Where had it been, or what had been done to it, to make it smell of pig, blood or Cadervine?


Anyone know where it came from, or who it belonged to?

I can't take the credit for that, Sadie. Where Pegasus led, I followed, & we spent hours discussing the video on another thread a few months ago.

[Robittybob1]

Well, we'll leave to decide if the toy Eddie pulled out of the canister (he did also toss it around but someone helpfully deleted that from the original video uploaded) is the one and only Cuddlecat.

We have never actually established what the pile of items was on the worktop which Eddie first alerted to - Pegasus thought it was clothes but I disagreed, seeing the items as books/folders of some description.

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"You need to look at the sequence in which the dog & handler go behind the table and then where he barks." what was the time on the video of this.
" but someone helpfully deleted that from the original video uploaded)" are you implying this is on the full length version but not the edited version we are looking now?