Cuddlecat and those claimed alerts.

[Robittybob1]

I can't take the credit for that, Sadie. Where Pegasus led, I followed, & we spent hours discussing the video on another thread a few months ago.

Could you find that thread again please?

[misty]

Could you find that thread again please?

www.miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=7097.435

Posts probably towards the end.

[misty]

"You need to look at the sequence in which the dog & handler go behind the table and then where he barks." what was the time on the video of this.
" but someone helpfully deleted that from the original video uploaded)" are you implying this is on the full length version but not the edited version we are looking now?

Have a look at this copy uploaded to the internet, spot the parts which are missing from the re-edited version we have on here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4NMYPsFKb8&feature=youtu.be&t=38m10s

[Robittybob1]

Have a look at this copy uploaded to the internet, spot the parts which are missing from the re-edited version we have on here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4NMYPsFKb8&feature=youtu.be&t=38m10s

That would be an enormous task.  Sorry I just can't afford the time to do that.

[misty]

That would be an enormous task.  Sorry I just can't afford the time to do that.

It would take you about 5 hours - the same sort of time you'd take dealing with the repercussions of shooting a branded duck.
The cadaver video I linked to is really rather interesting and you can see Eddie in the dark.

[mercury]

Can someone remind me what evidence there is of two identical toys, ta
As far as I know the mccanns removed all their belongings from the flat when vacating

[misty]

Can someone remind me what evidence there is of two identical toys, ta
As far as I know the mccanns removed all their belongings from the flat when vacating

It has been suggested that original CC was bagged up & kept by the PJ & new CC featured in all subsequent events.

[mercury]

It has been suggested that original CC was bagged up & kept by the PJ & new CC featured in all subsequent events.

Oh, thanks, so no evidence, just a suggestion/theory, ta

[Robittybob1]

Can someone remind me what evidence there is of two identical toys, ta
As far as I know the mccanns removed all their belongings from the flat when vacating

That must include the cuddle cat too then, agreed?
So how did the PJ get the one in the video?

The one that Eddie is indicating as having previous contact with a cadaver?

[misty]

That must include the cuddle cat too then, agreed?
So how did the PJ get the one in the video?

The one that Eddie is indicating as having previous contact with a cadaver?

The one in the video was taken to the villa the McCanns rented from July - Sept 2007. Kate had been photographed on many occasions carrying CC around & it was resident in the villa during the same period.
In August 2007 the PJ & cadaver dog team descended on the rented villa, sent the McCanns away for the evening & they then screened the contents, which included CC.
CC was then boxed along with some clothing & other items & sent to a gymnasium for a further forensic exercise, yet the dogs failed to alert to it there. CC & the marked clothing were returned to the McCanns the next day without undergoing any further testing.
Please watch the videos in their entirety & refer to the relevant pages in the McCann PJ files, which I'm sure you can google, to assist you further.

[Robittybob1]

Martin Grime says this about the soft toy:
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES_RIGATORY.htm

'Can you confirm if the signal given regarding the stuffed toy corresponds to a concrete alert of detection of a cadaver, or a mere trick played by the dog''
The dogs were not taught any 'tricks'. EVRD 'signalled' the toy, which at my request was retained by the Judicial Police for future forensic analysis. I have no knowledge of the results of any forensic analysis on the toy.

[Robittybob1]

Can someone remind me what evidence there is of two identical toys, ta
As far as I know the mccanns removed all their belongings from the flat when vacating

It just doesn't make sense that cadaver odour would still be present on Cuddle Cat  3 months later and after a thorough laundering.
Could it have been a tactic to force an admission out of the McCanns?  We don't see an unbroken chain of evidence. There are no clear photos of CC appearing in the video.  There are too many shots that emphasise the soft toy, it is as if there is some sort of foreknowledge by the photographer. There are multiple attempts to get a reaction from Eddie the cadaver dog yet the same emphasis is not on other items eg the pink blanket. and yet they are side by side with Madeleine on that bed that night. The blanket would not have been washed or was it?

[Alfie]

Have you considered the possibility that there were 3 Cuddlecats?

[Robittybob1]

The one in the video was taken to the villa the McCanns rented from July - Sept 2007. Kate had been photographed on many occasions carrying CC around & it was resident in the villa during the same period.
In August 2007 the PJ & cadaver dog team descended on the rented villa, sent the McCanns away for the evening & they then screened the contents, which included CC.
CC was then boxed along with some clothing & other items & sent to a gymnasium for a further forensic exercise, yet the dogs failed to alert to it there. CC & the marked clothing were returned to the McCanns the next day without undergoing any further testing.
Please watch the videos in their entirety & refer to the relevant pages in the McCann PJ files, which I'm sure you can google, to assist you further.

Now that makes sense now.  "CC & the marked clothing were returned to the McCanns the next day without undergoing any further testing."  So Kate got the same Cuddle Cat back [ deleted speculation ]
It seems odd that MG recommends to retain it as evidence and yet the next day the PJ return Cuddle Cat back to Kate.
Yet that is completely at odds to what Martin Grimes says:
(as quoted before)
"'Can you confirm if the signal given regarding the stuffed toy corresponds to a concrete alert of detection of a cadaver, or a mere trick played by the dog''
The dogs were not taught any 'tricks'. EVRD 'signalled' the toy, which at my request was retained by the Judicial Police for future forensic analysis. I have no knowledge of the results of any forensic analysis on the toy.

[Robittybob1]

Bob, do you not think that Amaral and the PJ would have determined this nine years ago?

Yes I'm thinking Amaral did this as a deliberate ruse to force a confession out of the McCanns, but it failed.